ASA Class Dates?

[Kerveball]

I know you all have probably seen this post a few times, but just wondering if anyone out there has any information about when ASA is going to run another class?
Any advice on my situation would be greatly appreciated. Here it is. I currently work as a CFI in Daytona Beach. I interviewed with ASA back on October 4th. I received the letter of conditional employment on October 26th saying they would contact me with a class date. 2 of my friends that interviewed only a week before me got called with the Nov.14th class date (the last one ASA ran). So I'm thinking I must be close to the top of the pool. Also, to add to the mix my fiance works as a controller at ATL Center, so I'm dying to be in the Atlanta area with her too! Now here is the hard part. I interviewed with Eagle a few weeks ago. I just got the call from them that everything had passed and I was offered Jan.23rd as a class date. I am on the younger side so I know I would probably get San Juan. So do I take Eagle and San Juan or do I hold out and keep swinging by a string waiting for ASA to call? My heart is telling me to wait for ASA for the location but my mind is telling me to take Eagle to get my career going. HELP! Anybody?

 

[ohplease!]

I know you all have probably seen this post a few times, but just wondering if anyone out there has any information about when ASA is going to run another class?
Any advice on my situation would be greatly appreciated. Here it is. I currently work as a CFI in Daytona Beach. I interviewed with ASA back on October 4th. I received the letter of conditional employment on October 26th saying they would contact me with a class date. 2 of my friends that interviewed only a week before me got called with the Nov.14th class date (the last one ASA ran). So I'm thinking I must be close to the top of the pool. Also, to add to the mix my fiance works as a controller at ATL Center, so I'm dying to be in the Atlanta area with her too! Now here is the hard part. I interviewed with Eagle a few weeks ago. I just got the call from them that everything had passed and I was offered Jan.23rd as a class date. I am on the younger side so I know I would probably get San Juan. So do I take Eagle and San Juan or do I hold out and keep swinging by a string waiting for ASA to call? My heart is telling me to wait for ASA for the location but my mind is telling me to take Eagle to get my career going. HELP! Anybody?

follow your heart.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Come volunteer in the Atlanta Airport over Christmas and I'm sure the head of Pilot Recruiting, Flight Training and Flight Ops will be here working along side you for free.

Oh' you are serious about working here. Training pretty much shuts down over the Holidays. It should start back in early 06. Everything depends on a "fleet plan" from Delta. That all depends on ALPA's scope negotiations that we argue about to no end on this board. Delta, SkyWest and ASA have no idea what the "fleet plan" is going to be, but attrition runs about 13 a month so they should have a class or three going in the very near future.

 

[~~~^~~~]

follow your heart.

Yes, a six figure government job with excellent benefits and time off. Marry her, or better yet, see if she can get you hired where she works.

 

[Rotorhead1]

Stay away from ASA. Delta is going under and will liquidate in mid to late 2006.

 

[Kerveball]

Oh I wish. I have already tried the whole getting on with ATC thing, but the only people the southern region is taking right now are graduates from an approved ATC program...forgot what its called though. I think the only schools that have it are ERAU, Purdue, UND, Middle Tenn State, and a few others. I graduated from Riddle and I'm so mad at myself for not minoring in ATC. I never thought I would want to sit in front of a scope all day. Hearing from her everyday about how great the job is has quickly changed my mind!

Thanks to all who have already responded!!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Also, to add to the mix my fiance works as a controller at ATL Center, so I'm dying to be in the Atlanta area with her too!

Do us all a favor if you come to ASA, please refrain from using eachother's pet names on the radio....ok, Snooky Ookums? :blush:

 

[Kerveball]

Hopefully you wont be the captain that gets stuck with me after her and I just had a big fight. We'll be holding for hours!!! haha

 

[zawillif]

From what you say it sounds like you are at the top of the pool. If this is the case you will probably be one of the first to know about new classes. They typically give a 3 week call out for new hires.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

From what you say it sounds like you are at the top of the pool. If this is the case you will probably be one of the first to know about new classes. They typically give a 3 week call out for new hires.

Someone from the hiring department told me yesterday they would be surprised if they don't get a call in the next few weeks telling them to get a class going.

That being said, who knows... I think ASA, SkyWest, and Delta are taking a nice, deep breath to see where the next step will be. Eventually they will have to run a class, but it could very well not be until February. They've hired so many instructors lately that you know the company expects to be training new hires, which means they expect new aircraft.

If you have a job in hand, you would probably be advised to take it given the industry. Perhaps you could call Eagle and see if they could postpone your class by a month. That would give you time to wait for ASA. You run the risk of losing the offer though, so think carefully before you make that call.

Good luck!

 

[Texx]

Do us all a favor if you come to ASA, please refrain from using eachother's pet names on the radio....ok, Snooky Ookums? :blush:

What on the radio. I flew with a pair that she called him "Nancy!"

 

[Texx]

Hopefully you wont be the captain that gets stuck with me after her and I just had a big fight. We'll be holding for hours!!! haha

What Captain. You'll be on RES so long you won't see the inside of the cockpit after training but you can work the gates during Xmas.

 

[Willy21]

You will be getting to ride in the back for a few legs. I hear the STL overnight is the best.

 

[Texx]

You will be getting to ride in the back for a few legs. I hear the STL overnight is the best.

They already fixed that one.

 

[Crash Pad]

If ASA runs a class soon I'll be shocked. We are so fat on FO's right now. Ask your local reserve buddy how much he/she is flying...

 

[701EV]

If ASA runs a class soon I'll be shocked. We are so fat on FO's right now. Ask your local reserve buddy how much he/she is flying...

Crash Pad,

We are not fat. We might just be properly staffed now. I give it three months and we'll be under staffed and you'll be flying your arse off. At the begining of this year I went from not flying to 74hrs a month and half of it in the right seat. Oh yeah, they keep you just under 75hrs so you do'nt get a lick of credit for all of that dead heading.

701EV

 

[AlphaSierra01]

How much of a stickler are they on the 100 hours in 6 month requirement?

 

[SiuDude]

Calls are going out today to poolies to see if you're still interested. That's a loaded question...

BTW, 100 hours in 6 months is required or you'll get sent home from the intreview.

 

[Kerveball]

Just got the call from Lisa in recruitment. She's a real sweetheart! She asked me if I was still interested in working for ASA and asked for my flight time in the last 6 months. I asked her what she has heard about class dates because I want to hear it "right from the horses mouth". She said she had no information on class dates...that they have told her nothing...but the fact that my file was placed on her desk as someone to call means I am "ready to go for the next class date". So...its not the best of news (no class date) but its movement in the right direction!

Has anyone else gotten the call today? It sounds like maybe they are only putting the call out to people who interviewed a while back...I wouldn't be upset if I had just interviewed at the end of Nov and didnt get this call. I interviewed all the way back in the first week of October and I know there are a few people that interviewed even further back than that. Any other calls?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Straight from Skunkworks, but no secret - The senior IP's have been told no classes in the first quarter and any of the instructors who wanted to go out and do some line flying were invited to bid a schedule next month. The Check Airmen will remain in the sim doing recurrent and proficiency checks. The reason cited for the sudden stop in training is the uncertainty regarding Delta's fleet plan.

I will add, this is will not be decided until after the mediation / bankruptcy court decisions which are supposed to come down in March.

Kerveball, it sounds like you are next up on the plate when things start. That could be very good if ASA gets a bunch of 70 seaters through scope relief. It could be really bad if they run a class to keep up with attrition and then shut it down again. For the Captains, it means we have probably 30+ IP's bidding our lines, they are a pretty senior group of pilots.

 

[WhendoIgetpaid]

I got the call from Lisa last week. She asked the same questions. I interviewed beginning of September.

 

[blesko]

got the call from lisa this morning. sounds like something is gearing up, but probably to come to a screeching halt again. I interviewed in the last part of october

 

[zawillif]

Yeah Lisa is great she is one of my personal friends. The 100 hours in six months is required, but it may be waved if you do not quite meet that requirment and you have been making a genuine effort to get those hours. I did not have the 100 hours but I explained how I had been laid off from my instructing job and had been right seating in a 135 operation and logging the 91 legs. I told them all this during my phone screening before my interview. They told me it may be a problem, but still interviewed me and I still got the job.

Good luck.

 

[jeroom]

I haven't got a call yet... I interviewed Sept 6.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

I know you all have probably seen this post a few times, but just wondering if anyone out there has any information about when ASA is going to run another class?
Any advice on my situation would be greatly appreciated. Here it is. I currently work as a CFI in Daytona Beach. I interviewed with ASA back on October 4th. I received the letter of conditional employment on October 26th saying they would contact me with a class date. 2 of my friends that interviewed only a week before me got called with the Nov.14th class date (the last one ASA ran). So I'm thinking I must be close to the top of the pool. Also, to add to the mix my fiance works as a controller at ATL Center, so I'm dying to be in the Atlanta area with her too! Now here is the hard part. I interviewed with Eagle a few weeks ago. I just got the call from them that everything had passed and I was offered Jan.23rd as a class date. I am on the younger side so I know I would probably get San Juan. So do I take Eagle and San Juan or do I hold out and keep swinging by a string waiting for ASA to call? My heart is telling me to wait for ASA for the location but my mind is telling me to take Eagle to get my career going. HELP! Anybody?

Don't take it.
You guys are reinforcing the fact that pilots are willing to work for next to nothing. I know you're all excited right now about your first flying job, but I give you a month or two, and you'll start bitchin' about the pay and $hitty QOL. I don't know if you've been keeping up with things, but the goal of the airlines is to have regional pilots keep stealing the legacy's pilot's routes and put rj's on them and pay the pilots $hit wages. Eventually, a widebody pilot will be making what an RJ pilot makes and that is sickening. So as long as you and all your cohorts down at the local flight school keep taking these regional jobs, this industry will continue to go down the toilet.

 

[Crash Pad]

Yeah don't take it. Instead you should go for a industry leading regional like Comair, CoEx, or Horizon... Or wait I get it... You should flight instruct along with all your friends for five years. Once the pool of pilots runs out you will be able to go straight to mainline.
I know when I was a CFI I waited for just the right opportunity and made sure I chose a regional that didn't undercut anyone.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Just got the call from Lisa in recruitment. I asked her what she has heard about class dates because I want to hear it "right from the horses mouth".

Lisa is a horse?

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Yeah don't take it. Instead you should go for a industry leading regional like Comair, CoEx, or Horizon... Or wait I get it... You should flight instruct along with all your friends for five years. Once the pool of pilots runs out you will be able to go straight to mainline.
I know when I was a CFI I waited for just the right opportunity and made sure I chose a regional that didn't undercut anyone.

I know this has been covered at length on this site, and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one definition of a scab "a person who takes the job of another by doing it for less?"
So wouldn't the pilots who fly rj's on routes that were once mainline with "real" airline class airplanes be scabs?

The last time I rode on a barbie jet as a pax, I got a cramp in my a$$.
Tomorrow I have to ride in one again for over 1000mn and I'm not looking forward to that. 3 years ago, that same route was on a B737
RJ's are not airliners and pretty soon the public is going to have enough of riding across the country in overcramped business jets.

 

[jeroom]

I know this has been covered at length on this site, and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one definition of a scab "a person who takes the job of another by doing it for less?"
So wouldn't the pilots who fly rj's on routes that were once mainline with "real" airline class airplanes be scabs?

The last time I rode on a barbie jet as a pax, I got a cramp in my a$$.
Tomorrow I have to ride in one again for over 1000mn and I'm not looking forward to that. 3 years ago, that same route was on a B737
RJ's are not airliners and pretty soon the public is going to have enough of riding across the country in overcramped business jets.

So, tell us now if you were a CFI today with those 1000 hrs in your logbook, looking out for a job in the airline industry. What would you do? Where would you go?
Tell us.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

So, tell us now if you were a CFI today with those 1000 hrs in your logbook, looking out for a job in the airline industry. What would you do? Where would you go?
Tell us.

Keep on working as an instructor, then go to a 135 freight type job where you will gain some "real experience".
I did 135 freight, then ferried aircraft for a long time, also did some pipeline work. Trust me, flying single pilot in an aircraft that you have to hand fly with analog instruments will give you tons of experience. These kids getting hired right into an RJ at 600 hours is downright dangerous. I know that's also been covered in another thread, so I won't ramble on about that.

My first airline flying job was right into a 727. That's how I would do it. Where would I go? Go to a place like Custom Air (CAT-727's) You'll work your a$$ off, but you'll get paid alot better than the regionals and get to fly a real plane.