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ASA and the USAir Hudson:

Crash Pad

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Every time a plane crashes we get a new policy.

I think we will add a bird check and verification after the runway verification.

I could be wrong and they could just add another line to the "takeoff briefing" that says something like "bird strike emergency landing plan".

Place your bets what will our new procedure be?
 

brian041102

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I can see it now. The 200 will get a new procedure like set the FD to 5 degrees for the best bird penetration airspeed.
 
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WalterSobchak

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I'm putting my money on another ridiculous regulation making it not legal to dispatch to/from an airport with a Notam for "Wildlife in Vicinity".

I wouldn't expect anything less from the kneejerk FAA.
 

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If we installed giant and glorious BH mustaches on the front of the planes, then the birds would be intimidated out of the way.


Mr. Pidgeon- "Hey Swift, what's that mean looking thing lining up on the runway?"

Mr. Swift- "I dunno, Pidgeon. But it has wrath from the looks of it. It seems to have a mighty mustache. We should move."

Mr. Pidgeon- "You're right. This stinks of Salt Lake. Let's go. Waddle off into the grass and lets not upset it."

Mr. Swift- "Yes. I need an adult."


That's how it would happen...every time.
 

brian041102

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If we installed giant and glorious BH mustaches on the front of the planes, then the birds would be intimidated out of the way.


Mr. Pidgeon- "Hey Swift, what's that mean looking thing lining up on the runway?"

Mr. Swift- "I dunno, Pidgeon. But it has wrath from the looks of it. It seems to have a mighty mustache. We should move."

Mr. Pidgeon- "You're right. This stinks of Salt Lake. Let's go. Waddle off into the grass and lets not upset it."

Mr. Swift- "Yes. I need an adult."


That's how it would happen...every time.

Now thats Funny
 

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I'm putting my money on another ridiculous regulation making it not legal to dispatch to/from an airport with a Notam for "Wildlife in Vicinity".

I wouldn't expect anything less from the kneejerk FAA.

I'm guessing the first lawsuit won't show up for a week or two. My guess is it's going to go along the lines of "they knowingly took off after another pilot reported some birds..."
 

flyboyike

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I suppose some ditching practice in the sim might be fun.
 

CFI2766

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Where's the love for the FO? The media is giving the captain a medal of honor, but it was a team activity, right? Sheeesh...

Seriously, tho: good job for the entire crew. Ditching a completely full a/c with no one dead is good work.


From the sounds of it, there will be nothing that the Feds can reasonably do to address this. 'Reasonably' being the key word.
 

777forever

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Didn't every airline get the runway verification added? I know a couple other airlines that do "spoilers in" as a result of AA in Cali
 

SpyFlysDOTs

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If we installed giant and glorious BH mustaches on the front of the planes, then the birds would be intimidated out of the way.


Mr. Pidgeon- "Hey Swift, what's that mean looking thing lining up on the runway?"

Mr. Swift- "I dunno, Pidgeon. But it has wrath from the looks of it. It seems to have a mighty mustache. We should move."

Mr. Pidgeon- "You're right. This stinks of Salt Lake. Let's go. Waddle off into the grass and lets not upset it."

Mr. Swift- "Yes. I need an adult."


That's how it would happen...every time.

Ok ok, funny but where is the photoshop crj with stache???? C'mon ask a 14 year old, they will do it for ya.
 

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Who wants to bet we'll get new TOLD cards with an added block for "environmental factors briefing."

-Birds in vicinity: Yes/No
-Bird escape criteria: Standard / Non-Standard
-Airport Elevation (again) and height above ground of birds in the vicinity: ______ / ______
-Pre-takeoff binocular departure path "bird-contamination" check: Complete/Incomplete
 

Abernathy

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Not a bad policy, for an airline like ASA that has to play to their lowest common denominator. If such a policy had been in-place at USAIR, that airplane wouldn't be the newest trash-barge for NYC.

They didn't hit the birds until a minute or so after departure. Chances are they wouldn't have seen them from the runway to begin with, so it would still be the newest trash-barge for NYC.

There's a limited amount of things you can try to prevent on the ground before you take off. After that, you just have to rely on your training to get you and your pax out of whatever mess you find yourself in.
 

DX Rick

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DAL already has one in effect. This morning, all DAL flight departing LGA were heard saying "Wind and Bird check?"
 

time builder

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If we installed giant and glorious BH mustaches on the front of the planes, then the birds would be intimidated out of the way.


Mr. Pidgeon- "Hey Swift, what's that mean looking thing lining up on the runway?"

Mr. Swift- "I dunno, Pidgeon. But it has wrath from the looks of it. It seems to have a mighty mustache. We should move."

Mr. Pidgeon- "You're right. This stinks of Salt Lake. Let's go. Waddle off into the grass and lets not upset it."

Mr. Swift- "Yes. I need an adult."


That's how it would happen...every time.
I thought this was leading into a Chuck Norris joke.
 

Terry Hunter

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Where's the love for the FO? The media is giving the captain a medal of honor, but it was a team activity, right? Sheeesh...
Agreed- this is bothering me too... Let's give the FO some love here. The FA I was flying with today mentioned how the FA's got no mention for their evac assistance... granted, what do you tell people... get out, er on the wing, NOW.

From the sounds of it, there will be nothing that the Feds can reasonably do to address this. 'Reasonably' being the key word.
And that GUARANTEES that the Feds will do something about it!!!!
 

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DAL already has one in effect. This morning, all DAL flight departing LGA were heard saying "Wind and Bird check?"



I think you have just about run that one into the ground. Do you get offended when someone says "wind check"
 

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I think you have just about run that one into the ground. Do you get offended when someone says "wind check"

No.

In fact, I've asked for one on the F-Terminal ramp in Philly, when DAL was still a presence on the opposing gates.
 

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Will it be necessary to have 5 mi separation if "Heavy Bird Activity" is reported?
 
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