Asa - 22 Crj900

[Oakum_Boy]

Lets order a CRJ-6000. It would be two hundred and fifty feet long. We could do an eight class configuration, and it would still be a common type. It is still an RJ, so it will pay dirt cheap to fly, the cabins will be filthy, and we won't even need a jet bridge. I should be in management, or down at Riddle. Sweet.

 

[McNugent]

You've been at ASA for about 2 months and your an expert in the airline industry.

It's just called common sense dude. Has nothing to do with how long I've been with ASA.

 

[No Delay]

Originally Posted by Texx
Well the 900 comes with 86 seats and the 705 comes with 75 seats. If you work here you should know to wait until you see it in print first. Another SJS player.

Well, first of all...I didn't say I believed it or that it wasn't just a bunch of management b.s.....I was just sharing info with you.

Second, they were talking about the 900(86 seats - but configured with a first class section that would bring it down to 79 seats).

They also said we would not be receiving any new 50 seats - everything else would be -700 and up. They even said Bombardier announced they would not be building any more 50 seaters.

 

[Sinca3]

Building any and getting any are 2 different things.......
Plenty of 2nd & 3rd hand 50's out there!

 

[amcnd]

First I belive the order was for 18-900 and 4-700 but any of them can be changed to the 700 or 900 or 705 or 200 ect.... I think when Delta decides what they are going to do (scope...RJ's...ect... ) that is when we will find out how things will shake out.. I think there will be a big shake up i nthe Delta Connection system around the frist of the year.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

I'm just curious, are these phantom 900's for Delta or are they for another code-share that Skywest has been talking about since they bought ASA?

Also, you bet ASA is not getting any deliveries from YUL since Skywest bought us; they'll go to Skywest Holdings, then they'll be "awarded" to either Skywest Airlines or ASA.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Also, you bet ASA is not getting any deliveries from YUL since Skywest bought us; they'll go to Skywest Holdings, then they'll be "awarded" to either Skywest Airlines or ASA.

That is correct. SkyWest, Inc., the holding company has the delivery slots. According to what I've read it could be 705's, 900's, or a combination of both. Aircraft could go to both carriers or just one. It's basically indeterminate at this point.

 

[General Lee]

That is correct. SkyWest, Inc., the holding company has the delivery slots. According to what I've read it could be 705's, 900's, or a combination of both. Aircraft could go to both carriers or just one. It's basically indeterminate at this point.

Dave,

My bet is on the -700 series.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[captain caveman]

Hmmmm, 10 years ago we were in EMB-120's, now 90 seaters. What next, 737's while still making Regional wages? We're a regional airline, we should stay that way. I hope the boys in the majors are able to fly'em. Or else "The Dream" will be surely gone. Or wait....has it happened already?

Interesting point. Unless we can score a new higher rate for this and risk our jobs doing so, it's better off at the majors.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Any future ASA deliveries will come under SKYW name. They are the "Parent" company now. Just like the previous announcements came as DAL ordering large numbers of CRJ (for Comair and ASA). Don't be fooled by the lack of ASA's name on delivery list's

 

[Going2Baja]

SkyWest is the Borg (sp?) from Star Trek - they assimilate anyone in their path!!! Look out DAL and UAL - SW just might have the purchase power to do it!

If I had stayed #170 of 2200 would be kinda nice right about now - come to think of it naw. Schedules have only gotten worse in the last 6 years.

 

[Erlanger]

ASA won't get any bigger airplanes unless Skywest Holdings can get them to fly them for the same rate as the 700 or even less. They almost got the Skywest pilots to do it for the 50 seat pay. Eventually, the Skywest pilots will agree and while we'll get a pay raise, it will be alot less them the ASA pilots would of done it for. Our pilot group, is weak. The last contract as you all know was voted down. It was the first time in Skywest history that the pilots voted down a contract and that was because it was ridiculously low, like 50 to 80 cent raises for everyone so it wasn't hard to vote no. But if Skywests offers $2 or $3 more, you can bet the pilots will take it. Expect Skywest pilots to fly the 900s for 50 pay out of ATL eventually.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

SkyWest is the Borg (sp?) from Star Trek - they assimilate anyone in their path!!! Look out DAL and UAL - SW just might have the purchase power to do it!

If I had stayed #170 of 2200 would be kinda nice right about now - come to think of it naw. Schedules have only gotten worse in the last 6 years.

If I'm reading your profile correctly you left SkyWest for a 727 job. Are you saying that being furloughed is better than being a senior captain at SKYW? That's an interesting perspective.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Dave,

My bet is on the -700 series.


Bye Bye--General Lee

That would make sense. Hopefully your MEC will be able to negotiate to get anything over 70 seats on the property and get your furloughs back in the cockpit. I just hope the DAL mainline pay rates don't lower the bar for the regional industry.

 

[Bluto]

Ooh! Ouch!

 

[ohplease!]

I, for one, hope we get as many new planes as possible. The bigger, the better for me. Someone is going to get them and it isn't going to be mainline. Might as well be me.

 

[General Lee]

That would make sense. Hopefully your MEC will be able to negotiate to get anything over 70 seats on the property and get your furloughs back in the cockpit. I just hope the DAL mainline pay rates don't lower the bar for the regional industry.

Dave,

That is the CR7. Dalpa just offered the company a new deal with 200 TOTAL 70 seaters involved. No 79 seaters etc. And, as far as the rates go, the new benchmark for 100 seaters was set by Jetblue. The new rates proposed by Delta are almost exactly the Jetblue rates, without the 1 1/2 pay over 70 hours that Jetblue has. We are working on that. Thank you for supporting the idea to get our guys back in the cockpit. Many on this board do not care about that.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I, for one, hope we get as many new planes as possible. The bigger, the better for me. Someone is going to get them and it isn't going to be mainline. Might as well be me.

Are you sure we won't get them? Really? We'll see there chief. You may get some more CR7s, but I don't think anything bigger than that. Time will tell, but Dalpa just offered some CR7s, nothing bigger, and the judge noticed that Delta's 79 seat proposal "outsourced" Delta pilots. She figured it out, and she may be the one who decides this whole thing.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[michael707767]

Who knows how serious ALPA is about 70 seat scope. They said they would trade it for pension gurantees, .

For the record DALPA never said they would trade scope for the pensions. They said if Delta would ensure the pensions, they would negotiate a deal right now. The position of the MEC is currently that scope stays at 70 seats.

By the way, DALPA knows the pension is history, they just want to get Delta to admit it so we get credit for that savings before we negotiate any deal.

 

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General:

The Judge has made it obvious she wants ALPA and Delta to work something out so she will not have to rule on this complex issue. From the bizzare comments she has made to suggestions that she is favoring one side or another, it is all created to generate uncertainty in both parties and force them to a negotiated resolution.

I do not expect ALPA to cross the arbitrary 70 seat line in the sand. So again, I think ALPA is going to force Delta into ordering an airplane that is not best for the Company as a whole. Delta is not going to start an RJ program at mainline for a small fleet of aircraft.

Of course, the other issue is whether or not SkyWest wants to fly a 70 seater when better airplanes are available that they might use in a post Delta World. SkyWest might still get the 90 seaters and put 70 seats in them. I think the operational costs are very close, within 5% (same wing and engines, slightly more weight, less range)

Michael, I hope the pensions, or some part of them, will remain in effect.