AS Recalls?

[wscrj]

Yeah...that's pretty much the impression I got as well.

Wouldn't it be great to see 90 junior SEA CA's bid SEA FO?

 

[Old School 737]

Bid is canceled and a new one is coming soon with less reductions out of SEA and a smaller PDX base.

 

[wscrj]

Nevermind...I was wrong.

 

[flythere]

anyword on recalls yet?

 

[QCappy]

Apparently not going to happen for now. As we saw from this recent PDX bid, things can change at any time.

 

[Going2Baja]

WTF? Does this airline even have a clue? Baja.

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Cancún, Long Beach service reduced

Flights redeployed to Bay Area-Hawaii,
Portland-Burbank and PDX-Ontario
February 9 , 2010
Alaska Airlines is discontinuing service between Cancún and Los Angeles, effective June 6, and will serve Mexico’s Caribbean resort destination seasonally only from Seattle. After June 6, daily service between Seattle and Cancún will resume Nov. 7.

In a related schedule change, two daily Portland-Long Beach flights are being eliminated, effective April 20. Passengers will still be able to fly between the two cities via Seattle on two daily Horizon roundtrips to Long Beach.

The Long Beach schedule reductions are being re-deployed as an additional daily roundtrip each between Portland and Burbank and Portland and Ontario, starting June 6. The summer schedule is still being finalized.

“We continue to re-allocate capacity to fortify our network,” said Andrew Harrison, vice president of planning and revenue management. “Discontinuing Long Beach will strengthen remaining service between Southern California and Portland while Cancún capacity has been re-deployed to help support our new Hawaii service from the Bay Area.”

The Cancún flights will be pulled from the reservations system on Feb. 14 while Long Beach will be pulled on Feb. 21. Station managers in Cancún and Long Beach have been advised of the service cuts.

 

[tico]

WTF? Does this airline even have a clue? Baja.

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Cancún, Long Beach service reduced

Flights redeployed to Bay Area-Hawaii,
Portland-Burbank and PDX-Ontario
February 9 , 2010
Alaska Airlines is discontinuing service between Cancún and Los Angeles, effective June 6, and will serve Mexico’s Caribbean resort destination seasonally only from Seattle. After June 6, daily service between Seattle and Cancún will resume Nov. 7.

In a related schedule change, two daily Portland-Long Beach flights are being eliminated, effective April 20. Passengers will still be able to fly between the two cities via Seattle on two daily Horizon roundtrips to Long Beach.

The Long Beach schedule reductions are being re-deployed as an additional daily roundtrip each between Portland and Burbank and Portland and Ontario, starting June 6. The summer schedule is still being finalized.

“We continue to re-allocate capacity to fortify our network,” said Andrew Harrison, vice president of planning and revenue management. “Discontinuing Long Beach will strengthen remaining service between Southern California and Portland while Cancún capacity has been re-deployed to help support our new Hawaii service from the Bay Area.”

The Cancún flights will be pulled from the reservations system on Feb. 14 while Long Beach will be pulled on Feb. 21. Station managers in Cancún and Long Beach have been advised of the service cuts.

You can thank the 87% who gave corporate Alaska the green light to outsource Alaska pilots jobs, build Horizon until it is equal in size, give away SEA Etops, and turn what was once a good job into a mediocre, low paying, dreary, depressing grind..............when you guys finally figure that out you will thank them for terminating(whoops)furloughing you......Time to move on fellas.......those jobs are leavin' and they aint comin' back........

 

[Tatoosh65]

The only outsourcing I see going on is pilots padding their lines up 90 hours, VSA'rs and the over 60'ers.

Horizon has pilots on furlough..

I know 106 pilots who would take your job if its that bad. Maybe you should move on.. Just saying.. Your not over 60 to boot are you Tico.
Sure, I agree though the contract could have been better...
Perspective...
Respect,
Tatoosh

 

[QCappy]

WTF? Does this airline even have a clue? Baja.

Those two routes were two of the worst yeilding routes in the system, therefore they were cut. I think they have a clue. I would rather they cut routes that don't make money than bleed money on routes to make us feel good. There are more route changes coming. The new norm will be constantly shifting routes as demand/yield evolve. Get used to the new reality.

 

[Deadalus]

You can thank the 87% who gave corporate Alaska the green light to outsource Alaska pilots jobs, build Horizon until it is equal in size, give away SEA Etops, and turn what was once a good job into a mediocre, low paying, dreary, depressing grind..............when you guys finally figure that out you will thank them for terminating(whoops)furloughing you......Time to move on fellas.......those jobs are leavin' and they aint comin' back........

Ding, ding, ding, weeee have a winner. You're too smart to be a pilot. I'm guessing you already have a back up career. Like you said, when Etops goes those jobs aint gunna come back. With an aquisition on the horizon it's a mighty slippery slope.

 

[Going2Baja]

Those two routes were two of the worst yeilding routes in the system, therefore they were cut. I think they have a clue. I would rather they cut routes that don't make money than bleed money on routes to make us feel good. There are more route changes coming. The new norm will be constantly shifting routes as demand/yield evolve. Get used to the new reality.

Every CUN flight i was on was full. Are we giving the seats away? Doubt it.

Baja.

 

[QCappy]

Every CUN flight i was on was full. Are we giving the seats away? Doubt it.

Baja.

Full means nothing. That route, along with most of Mexico has very depressed yeilds. I don't know any other way to say it. We were not making any money. If we were, I guarantee you we wouldn't pull out of that market.

 

[Green Banana]

Every CUN flight i was on was full. Are we giving the seats away? Doubt it.

Baja.

Do you REALLY think the flights would be cut if they were profitable? Q is right on about this.

 

[8v8ter]

Maybe the yields are low, but I think this has more to do with playing musical chairs with the ETOPs equipped A/C. They need an extra one for the addtional SEA-OGG in June so they are cutting out the LAX-CUN. It would be nice if they could finally admit the economy might be turning and add a flight without taking another one away so we don't need to recall any crews.

 

[NWaviator]

Tico,
To enlighten you on Horizon. We have 92 on furlough and a greater percentage for furlough to active pilots than AS. Last year we had 69 a/c flying and now there are 55 on the books and only 49 flying. So, growth wise, I would say that QX has shrunk, more than AS. We have not taken any of "your" routes (to my knowledge). I am not for QX growing and AS shrinking. I hope that AS grows left and right and QX also does as both comapnies are screwing the pilots.
Also, the Cancun stuff is rediculous. I don't think that it is that they need more ETOPS a/c because they have been converting some 800's to ETOPS lately. I thnk there are 22 or 23 now. Not totally sure.

Have a good weekend.

 

[tico]

Tatoosh......After ten years and a left seat I walked away for at least 3 years so you could hang on to yours...so stuff it...and nwaviator...there are pilots on furlough from Horizon because of the DEN mistep.....failed foray into lift providing....had that never happened and it never should have, Horizon would be hiring.....sorry dude

 

[QCappy]

Tatoosh......After ten years and a left seat I walked away for at least 3 years so you could hang on to yours...so stuff it...and nwaviator...there are pilots on furlough from Horizon because of the DEN mistep.....failed foray into lift providing....had that never happened and it never should have, Horizon would be hiring.....sorry dude

Sorry dude, but you are completely wrong in relation to Horizon. The Denver experiement was a way for Horizon to do something with their jets that they realized they didn't need. It was a way to keep guys on property and for the company to make a 12% profit on 12 airplanes for 3 years.

The guys at Horizon are on furlough because Horizon found a way to grow ASMs with less airplanes. No more 37 seat airplanes. Fewer 76 seat airplanes can move more people. Less pilots needed. Simple math. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[mach none]

You hit the nail on the head. Management thinks of growth in terms of seat miles. We think of cockpit seats. They think of efficiency as less pilots doing the same or more, we think of flying 8 hours in a day and getting to 75, 80 or 85 hours in less days at work.

The AS route structure does not lend itself to 8 hours of flying per day. We have an inefficient route structure and as a result, management is always looking for ways to make the pilots make up for those inefficiencies.

 

[Mookie]

You hit the nail on the head. Management thinks of growth in terms of seat miles. We think of cockpit seats. They think of efficiency as less pilots doing the same or more, we think of flying 8 hours in a day and getting to 75, 80 or 85 hours in less days at work.

The AS route structure does not lend itself to 8 hours of flying per day. We have an inefficient route structure and as a result, management is always looking for ways to make the pilots make up for those inefficiencies.

Bingo...Finally someone gets it. Now if we can stop bitching among the different bases about "our flying", maybe we can focus on getting the 106 back.

Save M. Brisbane!!

Mookie

 

[turbodriver]

maybe we can focus on getting the 106 back.

Mookie

Thank you. It's starting to look a lot like high school in here...... Maybe you guys can represent the pilots for once and actually do something that gets us back on property.

The sooner the better.....