Are the Frontier pilots happy?

[F9 A319]

My RAH buddy reports that STS *WAS* determined and RAH "won" the application.... let the games begin....

Dude,

If you got the scoop on that you're a rock star. I'm pretty sure if it was decided, whichever way it went, there would have been an explosion in Denver and I'd be on the phone right now instead of typing.

Serious style points for the way you phrased it "RAH 'won' the application...."

Does that mean RAH Management wanted one or two carrier status and got one or two or that the RAH pilots wanted single carrier status and got it?

Anyway it goes, you could make a case for calling it!

 

[Captain Morgan]

My RAH buddy reports that STS *WAS* determined and RAH "won" the application.... let the games begin....

God I hope not! No offense F9 pilots, but Frontier wasn't my final career target. It's just not my bag baby!

 

[jayme]

Then don't bid an Airbus seat. Problem solved.

 

[Sandhawk]

I'm completely unimpressed with pilots that came out of a flight school with 250 hours, went straight into an RJ, have been there a couple of years and think the world owes them a career.

I guess pilots and other people that feel "entitled" just bug me to no end.

+1

:beer:

 

[Cardinal]

My RAH buddy reports that STS *WAS* determined and RAH "won" the application.... let the games begin....

Having witnessed an NMB process, they simultaneoulsy Email and Fax their decision to the affected parties, then stuff the docs in the mail. So unless your buddy is banging a government secretary from D.C.... :beer:

 

[crashpad]

Do you honestly feel this is worth arguing over? F9 will be out of business by years end. Oil is going up to a point where BB and his boys will sell off the airline in peices and none of this will matter anyways. Update your resume instead of arguing on this board.

Guess you didn't read today's paper?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-republic-air-in-potential-cseries-clash.html

 

[Toobdrvr]

The problem with claiming you've "paid your dues" is that no matter what you or I or someone else has done in the past, there's ALWAYS someone else that has "paid more dues."

That comes in an infinite variety, from really big airplane pilots that had their career swept out from under them, or got tired of flying around the world - seeing places and shooting approaches I'll only dream of - to the combat proven former military pilots, to charter jet pilots that were on call for 10 years, to the Lifeguard pilots that had a 15 to 30 minute response time.

I had a lot of pretty crappy jobs in my career, but I didn't know any better at the time and basically enjoyed everyone of them.

I know of pilots that have washed out that flew C-141's (blew my mind and was depressing), were former Captains at Legacy or Mainline airlines (same thing) and pilots with 15,000 hours in single pilot freight turbine aircraft (that was frightening).

Years of experience and "paying dues" does not necessarily translate to being a good pilot or a pilot with a good attitude.

The exception, for me, was training 2 Air Force Academy grads that came straight from the military to F9. Both of them were so sharp, it made me proud to be an American, but I know even the Academies can put out marginal pilots.

And calling any group "pukes" is hypocritical in the extreme. I know of FO's that say, "God, I have to fly with a reserve captain puke."

Comparatively, "8 years of single-pilot 135 cargo in the mountains" ain't all that impressive to those that did it for 15 years or did it for 2 years and were lucky enough to find a job flying a G-4 or a BBJ or went overseas to get enough time to come back to a job they loved at a LCC, Legacy or a Fedex or UPS or liked living in Montana (or where ever) enough to make a career out of that.

It's really a silly argument if you think about it. There's always someone who had it easier than you and someone that had it a LOT tougher than you (or anyone).

Now for my own hypocrisy, I'm completely unimpressed with pilots that came out of a flight school with 250 hours, went straight into an RJ, have been there a couple of years and think the world owes them a career.

I guess pilots and other people that feel "entitled" just bug me to no end.

Wow, I honestly didn't plan to cause such a fervor! My post was primarily commenting on pilots who couldn't pass a checkride in a big King-Air (1900) that they supposedly had already been flying. I do realize however that there are some brutal "training" programs/ check airmen out there...

The "dues paying" comment was directed at someone's claim that a large number of us (F9) went from 1 year at GL to the right seat of an airbus, implying that they hadn't paid their dues. I was simply giving one example of someone who feels he did more than that. Of course there's people who "paid more dues" than I. In fact, most people probably did more than I did before getting here. No contest on my end...

Finally, I use the term "regional pukes" rather endearingly, especially since most of my beloved coworkers came from that route, no hate here. However, I was referring directly to the CFI to RJ guys who ended up at AMF, thought the world owed them something, and found the work at AMF to be beneath them. Most of them didn't last long...

That's all, didn't mean to ruffle feathers. Have a good one.

 

[FSIGRAD]

A "term of endearment". Yes, not meant to belittle others at all. Sort of like what you would call a retarded puppy you just can't bring yourself to put down. Come here you dumb little bastard. You are kind of cute, in an ugly sort of way.

 

[Toobdrvr]

Exactly. Kind of like "Freight Dog". Generally speaking, calling a person a dog is supposed to be an insult. In aviation, however, many of us have embraced these terms and oftentimes wear them with pride. Maybe some of you would understand if you'd grow a little more skin...

 

[jetalc]

Never mind...