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Are SkyWest Pilots Hurting The Industry?

BigHangar

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This thread is not intended as flamebait. I would truly like to see some intelligent discussion to see how people view this real issue. Obviously with the degradation of the industry, there are causes. This may or may not be one of them. What do you think?

I am too lazy to write my opinion again, so here are my comments from another thread:

'When is everyone going to understand?! SkyWest pilots don't vote on anything...they don't have a union! Management dictates to their employees how it is going to be, period. Now, to make employees feel warm and fuzzy like they actually have representation, management talks to the pilot association SAPA which has no power, use a little vasoline, and voila...the pilots feel like they actually had some say in the matter. Then later on, everyone in the industry accuses them of selling out with some crappy contract which really doesn't exist.

So, lets repeat it together. SkyWest pilots didn't vote to fly 70/90 seaters for 50 pay rates. They voted many times to not have a union. That is were the problem lies. I know many great SkyWest pilots that would never want to screw other pilots at other airlines, but they just have absolutely no say in the matter. SkyWest management is very capable of doing all the screwing...enabled of course by a low cost labor group. They are low cost because they have no contract which is generally more expensive and helps raise the bar throughout the industry. With that fact, I believe it is an ongoing circle of screwing, and indeed if SkyWest management screws other pilots and airlines (not saying they do, just theoretically if they did or have or will), it is the pilots fault.'

Please don't turn this thread into trash talking! Just looking for real discussion.
 

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The industry is hurting the industry.

Just wait it out.
 

maddog805

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BigHangar said:
I would truly like to see some intelligent discussion to see how people view this real issue.[\QUOTE]

On this board?

LOL!!!!
 
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viper548

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There are union carriers that have worse pay, benefits and QOL than SkyWest.
 

viper548

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maddog805 said:
BigHangar said:
I would truly like to see some intelligent discussion to see how people view this real issue. QUOTE]

On this board?

LOL!!!!

I bet this thread won't make page 2 before it gets nasty in here.
 

KO King

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Right......SkyWest is "hurting" the industry because they are non union......get a life dork.
 

P-Dawg_QX

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It's not so much that SkyWest is hurting the industry, as it's hurting America. Stop....stop hurting America.

/Jon Stewart
 

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KO King said:
Right......SkyWest is "hurting" the industry because they are non union......get a life dork.

I don't think union vs non union is the issue, I think agreeing to fly 70 seat RJs for 50 seat pay is the issue.

The problem with a "short term" lowering of the bar to get the growth is that it NEVER turns out to be short term.
 
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YAWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNN


This place is getting so freakin boring hearing the same ol crap being talked out..How many times can a dead horse be flogged..

You know what really hurts? Getting kicked in the nuts by a mule.
 

Stifler's Mom

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Major Metalhead said:
You know what really hurts? Getting kicked in the nuts by a mule.

"Ya know what it's like to fall in the mud, and get kicked, in the head!... by an iron boot?!... 'Course you don't. No one does. That never happens. Sorry, Ted, that's a dumb question; skip that."

-Robert Stack, Airplane
 

General Lee

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YES. They took growth for 50 seat wages on anything up to 99 seats. Shortsighted for sure. That agreement set the benchmark, until Jetblue did with their new 100 seat rates. Those rates will be with all of us for years to come, until Virgin America starts up.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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BigHangar said:
They are low cost because they have no contract which is generally more expensive and helps raise the bar throughout the industry.

A main reason SkyWest can offer a "low cost" in a bidding war is because of the large amount of cash it has in the bank. Skywest gets by-far the lowest rates when aquiring new a/c. Secondly, look at "the bar" for our competitors for UEX flying...ie. Go-Jet, Mesa, Chautauqua, Trans States. We have managed to keep low bids without making the pilots lower the bar near or below them.
 

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We are ALL guilty for many of the things that are happining right now. And when I say ALL, that includes both the regional and mainline pilot groups, regardless of company.

So yes, let's continue to reduce our wages, work rules, time off, and above all our respect down to nothing, so we can have the privledge of working at these airlines. I think it's hilarious when people try to blame one demographic for the ails of this industry right now, thinking they are somehow exempt from any blame. Give me a break. We are all f*cking up, and have been for years.
 

SkyWstman

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It's all our fault man. We all new 12 years ago what would happen in the future. We knew that the whole industry would be in turmoil and we were so freaking smart that we thought we would just sit back and capitalize on the whole thing. Dang we're smart.
 

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DCMartin said:
Skywest gets by-far the lowest rates when aquiring new a/c.

I doubt it. They do get there DL aircraft thru DAL. Skywest was going to get 7 aircraft recently but DAL moved them over to there subsdiary.
 
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