Are SkyWest Pilots Hurting The Industry?

[DGdaPilot]

You know, a union is not needed when a work group is not abused by their management. Maybe that says something about Skywest's management.

 

[Texx]

You know, a union is not needed when a work group is not abused by their management. Maybe that says something about Skywest's management.

You may be correct.

I guess they asked for the abuse when the pilots signed off on the LOA for the 50, 70 and possible 90 seat rates without a binding arbitration clause.

So is that called self mutilation?

 

[c-wood75]

skywest benefits from everyone elses hard fought union contracts, then jumps in and takes what other union members have paid and worked hard for.
We set the bar and skywest ducks under it.

They are like the welfare reciepts that sit at home and watch jerry springer all day, eating twinkees and potato chips, and getting paid. While everyone else is out there working hard to support them.

Sapa and skywest pilots are the biggest threat to this whole industry. What a joke they are thinking they have any power at all as they take everyone elses job.

 

[Goose Egg]

Granted, this is coming from a CFI flunky who really doesn't know what the heck he's talking about, but SkyWest is really the only regional that I'm seriously consider going to. (Well, that and Cape Air, but I don't really consider them a "regional" in the traditional sense.) Sure, there's no way to know whether I'll actually get that job or not, but I suppose I can cross that bridge when I come to it.

Now, it should be mentioned that this preference of mine has little to do with union vs. non, (I just don't have any great desire to go to a regional, period, but SKW would get me closer to home) but the fact that SkyWest is non-union is what I'd consider "icing on the cake."

Goose,
insolent youngster

 

[BubbRubb]

I thought that intelligent was a link and you were going to give us the definition. Tried to click on it, oh well.

 

[RocketDog]

We are ALL guilty for many of the things that are happining right now. And when I say ALL, that includes both the regional and mainline pilot groups, regardless of company.

So yes, let's continue to reduce our wages, work rules, time off, and above all our respect down to nothing, so we can have the privledge of working at these airlines. I think it's hilarious when people try to blame one demographic for the ails of this industry right now, thinking they are somehow exempt from any blame. Give me a break. We are all f*cking up, and have been for years.

Very well thought out and very well expressed. We are all to blame for our lack of solidarity in dealing with the management types. But it all really boils down to the simple laws of supply and demand. There is such an excess supply of pilots that we are unable to demand reasonable work rules, wages, etc. as someone else is always willing to do it for less. What a crazy industry this has become. . .

 

[s.o.sJTB]

I doubt it. They do get there DL aircraft thru DAL. Skywest was going to get 7 aircraft recently but DAL moved them over to there subsdiary.

SkyWest does get have some of the best financing rates in the industry, but your right a part of the DAL contract calls for DAL to be responsible for the airplanes, meaning if SkyWest loses DAL flying, DAL is responsible for taking the over the leases on the airplanes.

 

[General Lee]

SkyWest does get have some of the best financing rates in the industry, but your right a part of the DAL contract calls for DAL to be responsible for the airplanes, meaning if SkyWest loses DAL flying, DAL is responsible for taking the over the leases on the airplanes.

Could that be changed in Chap 11? What did United do to their carriers in Chap 11? It could be a whole new ball game. Mesa could move into SLC soon afterwards. You never know.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Actually, it's only half-truth. We do our own financing and deliveries, but we only take them and put them into service if a major partner is willing to accept the risk by: 1) entering the fee-for-departure on the additional flying undertaken, and; 2) by asusming the risk for lease payments (a large majority of ours are LT operational leases) and aircraft pending dissolution of contract flying. Neither major partner has anything directly to do with financing or ordering, just subsequent route placement. I suppose the current 'outs' could be addressed in bankruptcy. Everything is, at all times, negotiable--especially legal contracts.

Aside: So I've been lurking for two years--what spurned me to start posting over the last few days? Engaging in self-directed rhetoric here...

 

[Corona]

The industry is hurting the industry.

Just wait it out.

The important thing to notice here is that English is now a MODERATOR!!!!!

So, all you dudes better watch your manners and cuss words!

English: For what types of filth are you willing to ban a dude?!

C

 

[100-1/2]

When you buy something for cash, it costs just what you pay.

When you finance something (house, Car, Boat, AIRCRAFT) over 10 to 30 years, you will pay for it ATLEAST twice.

RICH PEOPLE PAY LESS FOR THEIR STUFF!

I believe DAL Backed the orders for SKW and had the option when the orders were placed to use take them for Wholly owned. Problem is, they owe SKW money for the bump.

Another Brain Child wrecking the system now and hoping to "get through" to fix it later. If Ch11 comes about, SKW will go to the back of the line.

Maybe General Lee can verify this.

My data is a little dated.

100-1/2

 

[difete]

This thread has the official "caballo muerto" seal of approval.

 

[Crossky]

Granted, this is coming from a CFI flunky who really doesn't know what the heck he's talking about, but SkyWest is really the only regional that I'm seriously consider going to.

You said so yourself, so be it.

(Now, it should be mentioned that this preference of mine has little to do with union vs. non, (I just don't have any great desire to go to a regional, period, but SKW would get me closer to home) but the fact that SkyWest is non-union is what I'd consider "icing on the cake."

Have you saved enough CFI money to survive during your initial SKW training during which you will receive $0.00? Even Pinnacle has started paying their pilots (hotel too) during inital training.

"SkyWest student pilots don't have any money to buy bread? Let them eat cake. With icing on it."

 

[StarChk20]

The industry is hurting the industry.

Airlines(Regional and Majors) need to fly to make money. Public wants cheap travel (priceline, orbitz, etc.). In order to fly, airlines need to be cheap, they cut fares and make low price bids to majors to the point where "Oh shoot, our expenses exceed our income!" So what do they do? Raise ticket prices to where they belong??? Noooo Waayyyy, everyone else will be cheaper, and we will lose flying, Soooo what is the only other choice? Cut Costs! Whats the easiest way to cut costs? Threaten pilots with the thought of losing their jobs so that they will work for less.

This cycle has been going on ever since Expedia and other "money savers" started, the prices started dropping... Well, prices can only drop so far.

Point is, pilots aren't too blame for this. I'm including all pilots, from the best to the worst regionals or majors. The industry just couldn't, and still cannot find a balance and it is turning pilots against airlines and now, especially on this forum, pilots against pilots.

Something big needs to happen, the industry needs to change, hopefully it happens sooner than later.

 

[joe_pilot]

They are like the welfare reciepts that sit at home and watch jerry springer all day, eating twinkees and potato chips, and getting paid. While everyone else is out there working hard to support them.

Cwood,
You know, this is a public forum, so I support your right to express your opinion even if I don't agree with it. What I don't like is your negative attitude that is reflected in almost every post you have made on this board. Ok, so you don't like me or the rest of my fellow pilots at SkyWest. Fine. Don't attack us personally, though. In fact, don't attack anyone on here personally. It is not civilized. State your case, present facts or even just your opinion, but do not trash a pilot group, especially mine, with childish comments. You know, the moderators will throw someone in the penalty box for a racy avitar or for cursing. I think there should also be penalty for excessive negativity or failure to contribute anything of value. Take stock of your life. find out why you are so unhappy.

BTW, I'm trying to show restraint because this is an anonymous board. I would however, say the same thing to you in person. I sincerely hope that you use this forum to mouth off and you do not spout off like this in public. Because if you continued to talk like this to many people, me for example, it would not be pretty.

My Grandfather used to always say, if you're gonna be stupid, you've gotta be tough.

Stop the trash talk and start contributing to this board.

Oh yeah. I eat donuts, not twinkies.

 

[Goose Egg]

Have you saved enough CFI money to survive during your initial SKW training during which you will receive $0.00? Even Pinnacle has started paying their pilots (hotel too) during inital training.

If it's in SLC, I could stay with family so my hotel bill would be approximately $0.00. (Remember, the whole reason I'd want to work for SKW is to be closer to family.) And speaking of CFI money, I'll probably be taking about a $10,000/ year pay cut to be a regional FO.

In other words, yeah, I think I could swing it. But I don't think that was your point.

Edit: Perhaps I was a bit hasty by saying SKW was the only regional that I'd consider going to, because that is not really true. On the other hand, you can't blame me for being selective as to where I'd want to work--I thought that was the problem with the industry.

-Goose

 

[Crossky]

If it's in SLC, I could stay with family so my hotel bill would be approximately $0.00. (Remember, the whole reason I'd want to work for SKW is to be closer to family.) And speaking of CFI money, I'll probably be taking about a $10,000/ year pay cut to be a regional FO.

-Goose

Good reasons, can't blame you there really, I'd like to live where I'm based someday.

 

[Spinplate]

Pinnacle is payin 200/wk plus 40+/day for crash pad. 400/wk isnt bad for training!!!