Appears to be a citation down in carlsbad, ca

[FN FAL]

However, I looked up the Pilot's name (according to the newspaper), and he appears to have been flying for quite some time, in addition to his eight type ratings.

No skid marks, could have been a heart attack?

The cause of the crash was unknown. Polick said the weather was clear and sunny with only light winds at the time.

Norman Boyd of Escondido said he saw the plane landing as he drove to work near the airport and could tell "the plane was in trouble."

"Its landing gear was up and it was going down really fast," Boyd told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "It was heading toward the runway and the approaching speed was way beyond what it should be."

The road dipped, obscuring his view of the runway for a moment, and when he saw it again there was "fire and smoke at the far end," he said.

Boyd, who served in the Navy and worked on aircraft, said he observes takeoffs and landings daily on his way to and from work.

The National Transportation Safety Board sent a team to investigate the accident.

 

[Andy Neill]

It was certainly sunny AFTER sunrise but the crash happened 4 minutes before sunrise.

 

[FN FAL]

It was certainly sunny AFTER sunrise but the crash happened 4 minutes before sunrise.

I might have missed getting it when I scrolled and pasted the article, but they said there were no skid marks on the runway.

 

[FN FAL]

Now the feds are saying the landing gear was down...

Cockpit voice recorder found at San Diego County plane crash site

Associated Press

CARLSBAD, Calif. - Investigators on Wednesday recovered the cockpit voice recorder of a business jet that crashed and burst into flames near McClellan-Palomar Airport, killing all four people aboard, officials said.
The Cessna 560 Citation crashed early Tuesday after a flight from Friedman Memorial Airport in Hailey, Idaho, near the Sun Valley ski resort.
Officials with the National Transportation Safety Board said during a Wednesday afternoon press conference at the accident site that the cockpit voice recorder appeared to be in good shape.
It could take federal investigators up to six months to sort through evidence, including crew radio transmissions.
An NTSB official said the plane's landing gear was down as the pilots attempted to land the twin-engine plane.
The aircraft went about 150 yards beyond the runway, barreled through a scaffolding holding airfield equipment and rammed into a commercial storage facility.
The victims included Frank H. Jellinek Jr., 60, chairman emeritus of Fisher Scientific International, a Hampton, N.H., company that provides products and services for labs and clinics. He was flying into San Diego County to attend Fisher Scientific business meetings, a company spokeswoman said.
In Idaho, Sun Valley Aviation General Manager Melidee Wright told the Wood River Journal newspaper that the following people had boarded the plane: pilot Jack Francis, co-pilot Andy Garrett and passenger Janet Shafran, wife of one of the aircraft's registered owners.
Shafran was involved with The Community School in Sun Valley, Idaho, and her husband was on the board of directors, said Jon Maksik, the school's headmaster. He confirmed Shafran was on the plane.

 

[flyinglow]

I think someone was onto something with the heart attack theory. I bet that the pilot was single pilot rated and the co-pilot really didn't have any experience with the airplane. Once the Pilot was incapcitated the co-pilot was lost. If the speed readouts are correct, even the biggest bafoon pilots out there would have gone around if they were that unstablized.

 

[ultrarunner]

...If the speed readouts are correct, even the biggest bafoon pilots out there would have gone around if they were that unstablized.

You're not up on current events....


...recent history says you're WAY wrong on that one!

 

[rchcfi]

I think someone was onto something with the heart attack theory. I bet that the pilot was single pilot rated and the co-pilot really didn't have any experience with the airplane. Once the Pilot was incapcitated the co-pilot was lost. If the speed readouts are correct, even the biggest bafoon pilots out there would have gone around if they were that unstablized.

Just so you know, both pilots were very "experienced". The co-pilot had been flying that same aircraft for years. So let the investigators do their jobs and figure it out for us.

 

[GIVDrvr]

According to folks at the field the TRs were deployed mid field but apparantly not at the accident site so perhaps an untimely go around attempt was made that terminated at the localizer antennae array. Condolances to all friends and family of those lost.

 

[lowtimedriver]

Here is the pre-lim report:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20060202X00149&key=1

 

[FL420]

Greed and Apathy played a part

Back in the mid-80's, when CRQ was annexed from the County of San Diego to the City of Carlsbad, the Airport Master Plan(paid for by your Aviation Trust funds) called for Rwy 24 to be lengthened by about 1000 feet(if memory serves.) It couldn't be extended on the east end because it was butted up to El Camino Real. It could be easily extended to the west because, at the time, there was nothing between the departure end of Rwy 24 and I-5 but flower fields.

As an airfield tenant, President of the Palomar Airport Pilot's Association and VP of the California Aviation Council(now the California Pilot's Association,) I, and a very few other pilots, spent hundreds of hours appealing to local pilots, the San Diego County Aviation Department, the San Diego County Board of Supervisors, the Carlsbad Planning Commission and the Carlsbad City Council sitting as the Airport Land Use Commission to try to protect the airport from incompatible land use development.

North San Diego county was growing rapidly and developers wanted to build houses right up to the airport boundaries on all sides. They didn't care a whit about the viability of the airport and probably would have liked to have the flat land on which it sat.

The developers, who made huge political campaign contributions to Carlsbad City Council members, along with the new homeowners who were buying their houses and complaining about airport noise, put the future viability of the airport in question. The Carlsbad City Council did manage to spend hundreds of thousands more dollars of your Aviation Trust Fund money on noise studies and Airport Master Plan revisions which ate up a lot of time and airport proponents' energies. All the while they were dragging their feet they were approving development after development closer and closer to the airport.

Meanwhile, the opportunity to extend Rwy 24 and place an airport compatible land use like a city park, cemetery, golf course or open space off the departure end was lost forever.

So. Greed on the part of the developers, a hunger for power on the part of local politicians, the ineffectiveness of the FAA and the apathy of most local pilots are all partly to blame for the deaths of these four individuals(in my opinion.) They may have landed with a tailwind, they may have landed too long, they may have tried going around too late. Regardless, they could have used an extra 1000 feet of runway free of concrete buildings and they could have had it.

 

[FN FAL]

So. Greed on the part of the developers, a hunger for power on the part of local politicians, the ineffectiveness of the FAA and the apathy of most local pilots are all partly to blame for the deaths of these four individuals(in my opinion.) The may have landed with a tailwind, they may have landed too long, they may have tried going around too late. Regardless, they could have used an extra 1000 feet of runway free of concrete buildings and they could have had it.

they better plow that dangerous airport under then and put some nice safe houses and a golf course in.

 

[FL420]

they better plow that dangerous airport under then and put some nice safe houses and a golf course in.

That very thing was proposed over and over again by homeowners in Carlsbad, Vista, Leucadia and Oceanside at dozens of public hearings re: the airport over the years.

 

[81Horse]

Good post, FL420. I worked and flew at CRQ a long time ago; it's depressing how development has been allowed to encroach on the county's best GA airport. When it's gone, I guess the poobahs will have to helicopter up to Rancho Santa Fe from Lindbergh -- 'cause the drive sucks.

 

[FL420]

This accident really was bugging me because the name Frank Jellinek sounded so familiar and I just couldn't place it. I was aware he recently placed the following ad on SkyJobs for a pilot:

Single Pilot (Aircraft Management) 1/9/2006
Family pilot-cirrus gts-light jet. Sun Valley Idaho and Rye Beach N.H. Must have 1500 tt with ATP and 500 hours turbine. $50k plus health care. Family travel only, approx 250 hours per year cirrus gts, Piper Meridian/Citation 550 type rating a plus. Good job in nice part of America.
Employer: Jellinek Family Trust
Contact: Frank Jellinek, Email: [email protected]

I did some more research and discovered he was the Chairman Emeritus of Fisher Scientific and a classmate of mine at Miami University. He was a Sigma Chi fraternity brother of Mike Oxley(R-Ohio) of Sarbanes-Oxley fame. I didn't know him but knew of him.

Now I really wish we would have been successful in getting the runway extended.

 

[sky37d]

Sad day. It really drives home the requirement to be stabilized on approaches. We get complacent, and someday it smacks us. When it does, we don't go home.

 

[lowtimedriver]

Good post, FL420. I worked and flew at CRQ a long time ago; it's depressing how development has been allowed to encroach on the county's best GA airport. When it's gone, I guess the poobahs will have to helicopter up to Rancho Santa Fe from Lindbergh -- 'cause the drive sucks.

CRQ isn't going anywhere for a long time. A little more than a year ago, they demolished what to me, was the best airport diner in So Cal and the GA areas surrounding the restaurant. They are completing construction on a multi-million dollar project to expand the biz-jet capablities of CRQ. They are putting in some huge hangars and we will be seeing more corporate departures and arrivals from CRQ. You probably think they would have fixed the friggin runway before they did this. There is nothing more dangerous than land developers with local politicians in their deep pockets.

 

[81Horse]

Oh, yeah, that was a good diner. Gillespie and Montgomery had good diners, too -- way, way back in the day.

 

[FL420]

CRQ isn't going anywhere for a long time. A little more than a year ago, they demolished what to me, was the best airport diner in So Cal and the GA areas surrounding the restaurant. They are completing construction on a multi-million dollar project to expand the biz-jet capablities of CRQ. They are putting in some huge hangars and we will be seeing more corporate departures and arrivals from CRQ. You probably think they would have fixed the friggin runway before they did this. There is nothing more dangerous than land developers with local politicians in their deep pockets.

They don't have too much buildable land on the south side as that land was used as a landfill years ago and has had some severe settling problems. That's probably the only reason any light GA aircraft are still on the field.

 

[XTW]

This accident really was bugging me because the name Frank Jellinek sounded so familiar and I just couldn't place it. I was aware he recently placed the following ad on SkyJobs for a pilot:



I did some more research and discovered he was the Chairman Emeritus of Fisher Scientific and a classmate of mine at Miami University. He was a Sigma Chi fraternity brother of Mike Oxley(R-Ohio) of Sarbanes-Oxley fame. I didn't know him but knew of him.

Now I really wish we would have been successful in getting the runway extended.

Mr. Jellinek was a very nice man. He was also in auto racing earlier in his life.


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