APA President raises the white flag of surrender

[Mike man]

All good points...we as pilots however have to join together to amend the RLA, it is way too pro management. I'm not saying it needs to be pro labor, but we need...a stopgap in the contracts and the negotiating process that allows cost of living increases or pay raises at the end of the current contracts. I don't think it should be like the UAW contracts, where they walk off the job at the end of the contract, but the RLA needs a process to prevent management from stalling and stalling.

 

[Fubijaakr]

..do any of the ALPA bashers have an answer? Does anyone think how different things would be if all pilots were represented by ALPA?...This the rate and the workrules for said aircraft. No ifs, ands or buts. WE would be a fixed cost. If you were a non-ALPA airline, no jumpseats, no ID 90s, etc. We can do this and need to do this and we can call it anything we want..WE have allowed mgmts. to convince us we are worth less. We are not. The sooner we realize it the better.

You're my hero. Seriously.

You have pointed out the differences between an Association and a Union.

 

[bubbers44]

Dave Bates is a good guy. I know him. I am retired now but wish him well getting a good contract for the AA pilots. Doug Johnson MIA

 

[XTW]

However, your MEC has to listen to them and take their advice.

This could be debated. It could be argued that the advice given would be for the benefit of ALPA National instead of the Local MEC and their constituency. I'm just sayin'.


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[chignutsak]

Not exactly. They're out with torches and pitchforks on the APA message board.

Internet Tough Guys are a dime a dozen. Reality is here; Bates has a good grasp on what is necessary to move forward. Many years have been wasted.

 

[Dan Roman]

There are only a few justifications for such a ridiculous belief.

You are on ALAP FPL and haven't flown the line for two decades...

YGTBSM...

You are on ALAP FPL and haven't flown the line for two decades...

You are REZ or PCL..

Or, you are on ALAP FPL and haven't flown the line for two decades...

You are in USAPA.
USAPA is the biggest failure in the the history of pilot unions in commercial aviation. They truly are an embarrassment to the profession.
Nuff said.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Agreed. Feel good rhetoric is no substitute for actually getting things done for your pilot group. The APA's previous approach had the NMB putting them on ice for an indefinite time. Captain Bates has the courage to change the APA's current course, which has resulted in ZERO. Good for him , good for the American pilots, good for the profession.

+1 (million)

 

[JumpJetter]

Maybe you guys should talk to SWAPA and ask for help?

 

[altimaklr]

Most AA pilot would have a stroke if they had to work as much as a WN pilot for a month. That, and Southwest actually makes a profit (amazing concept).

 

[charlie2]

All good points...we as pilots however have to join together to amend the RLA, it is way too pro management. I'm not saying it needs to be pro labor, but we need...a stopgap in the contracts and the negotiating process that allows cost of living increases or pay raises at the end of the current contracts. I don't think it should be like the UAW contracts, where they walk off the job at the end of the contract, but the RLA needs a process to prevent management from stalling and stalling.

How about an amendable date like we have now but also have an expiration date (UAW style) 2 years after that and we walk. I can't imagine anybody saying that's not long enough to have a new contract. It's only not long enough if management keeps calling in sick for negotiations or showing up unprepared like Parker's people. Our postion should be that it should only take a few months for negotiations so two years is reasonable.

 

[flynvixen]

ALPA has the BEST people in North America when it comes to dealing with pilot contracts. However, your MEC has to listen to them and take their advice.[/QUOTE]

You got that one wrong ALPA is one big job killing machine, just look what they have done to the industry ask the pros at Delta, United, America West/US Air and on and on and on. They talk a big talk but loose every fight in the long run, just ask the boys at Com Air.

If you guys would work instead of trying to find ways out of work maybe the company would take care of you, instead you guys love to sit home and tell your friends and neighbors how much you dont work and get paid to do it.

You guys need to move on let guys that want to work and fly have your seat and you can spend more time running your yogurt shop.

I have never been around a group of people that whine and complain more that unionized airline pilots. Enough is never enough, you spend the first half of your life selling your soul to get on at a major, then spend the rest of your life trying to screw the company who pays you. WTFO

 

[dicko]

They talk a big talk but loose every fight in the long run, just ask the boys at Com Air.

They lose every fight. Learn to spell.

T:nuts::nuts:L

 

[flynvixen]

That's right ignore the facts because of a spelling error, no disputing facts laid out is there. I am amazed anybody listens, follows, pays dues to or backs the ALPA job killing machine. You guys all drink the koolaid pay the dues then hold hands and jump off the cliff together, then cry when the landing is more than you can take.

Shut ALPA down stop paying them to ruin your company

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

You got that one wrong ALPA is one big job killing machine, just look what they have done to the industry ask the pros at Delta, United, America West/US Air and on and on and on. They talk a big talk but loose every fight in the long run, just ask the boys at Com Air.

If you guys would work instead of trying to find ways out of work maybe the company would take care of you, instead you guys love to sit home and tell your friends and neighbors how much you dont work and get paid to do it.

You guys need to move on let guys that want to work and fly have your seat and you can spend more time running your yogurt shop.

I have never been around a group of people that whine and complain more that unionized airline pilots. Enough is never enough, you spend the first half of your life selling your soul to get on at a major, then spend the rest of your life trying to screw the company who pays you. WTFO

Hey....I like your way of thinking!

Have you ever considered a future in airline management?

 

[Draginass]

ALPA and Lee Moak are industry sellouts.