APA President raises the white flag of surrender

[flynvixen]

Mr. Lorenzo, how much will you profit when Doug Parker makes a run for AA?

Shut it down sell it off it's the only solution, then listen to the lazy greedy pilots from APA howl. The bad news is the pilots will then flock to other airlines like locust bringing the malcontents to other airlines and starting the fight and demise of other airlines just like they have brought to AA.

Good job guys you have killed a longtime company good job APA

cheers vato's

 

[max motoring]

I'm just a lurker here, but this flyvixen is a management wind-up-guy, who obviously has no clue about flying the line. His profile has 18,000 hours flown and a 73 type, doubt that, come on dude!

The union like it or not is a necessary evil in our profession. Without the union the management and share-holders would abuse the workforce for profit, it's a historical proven reality, and safety as we all know is a nice creed to live by, but not a consequence to profit.

Must have been hard getting those 18,000 737 hours without the union behind you.

MM

 

[Dan Roman]

I'm just a lurker here, but this flyvixen is a management wind-up-guy, who obviously has no clue about flying the line. His profile has 18,000 hours flown and a 73 type, doubt that, come on dude!

The union like it or not is a necessary evil in our profession. Without the union the management and share-holders would abuse the workforce for profit, it's a historical proven reality, and safety as we all know is a nice creed to live by, but not a consequence to profit.

Must have been hard getting those 18,000 737 hours without the union behind you.

MM

Could be or he really could be clueless and is bitter because all the ALPA carriers turned him down and he had to buy a 737 type to get hired at SWA 10 or 15 years ago. He does sound like someone who sits around watching Fox news with a framed picture of Gary Kelley in his lap.

He clearly doesn't realize that SWA was smart enough to try and work with their employees to the benefit of all and ALPA, while not perfect, has had to deal with a lot of not so enlightened management teams. Also, he spent much of his career working for a lot less pay than most 737 pilots to try and build his airline (shiny jet syndrome??). Now we hear all these SWA pilots bragging about how much more than others they make and yet he is boasting that the other unions are tearing down their respective companies and how wonderful SWAPA is. He could be in for a rude awaking. The only constant is change in this industry.
Most of the SWA folks I've met seem pretty level headed, I don't think he is the norm.

 

[max motoring]

Agreed Dan....Suprised too that a SW guy would be so bitter.

Back to the thread topic! The APA president is pandering to the NMB to have a chance- this decade- to be released. It's about time, pitty that the RLA gives all the leverage power to the government. You bet if APA was an AFL/CIO member the NMB might be put under a little pressure, but not the case here for the APAssociation.

MM

 

[stlflyguy]

It's about time, pitty that the RLA gives all the leverage power to the government.
MM

Whaaaaaaat?

 

[max motoring]

It's about time, pitty that the RLA gives all the leverage power to the government.


Pilot union can't do anything for fear of fines from the Texas Judge in AMR's pocket, because the union is not released to self-help, per the RLA. NMB a.k.a., the government, decides when you can be released. The NMB is not even engaged right now with the negociations because in the NMB's opinion, there's too many issues the APA wants to negociate. So it's status-quo forever, government has the leverage........

MM

 

[flynvixen]

I'm just a lurker here, but this flyvixen is a management wind-up-guy, who obviously has no clue about flying the line. His profile has 18,000 hours flown and a 73 type, doubt that, come on dude!


Must have been hard getting those 18,000 737 hours without the union behind you.

MM

Hey Max

First of all I have put another half a dozen types on the profile but really whats the point.

Second I have always had flying jobs where I actually flew airplanes..allot, unlike you guys who sell your souls to get on at a major and then stop flying sit home and complain, plotting to burn your own company down all the while running your yogurt shop.

When you guys stop complaining, start working and making some money for your company for a change maybe you will get that raise you say you are worth.?

Dont get me wrong sitting at home getting paid to complain is good work if you can get it but how long can your company continue to pay you not to work before it shuts the doors and sends you all packing.

I'm just saying

 

[stlflyguy]

It's about time, pitty that the RLA gives all the leverage power to the government.


Pilot union can't do anything for fear of fines from the Texas Judge in AMR's pocket, because the union is not released to self-help, per the RLA. NMB a.k.a., the government, decides when you can be released. The NMB is not even engaged right now with the negociations because in the NMB's opinion, there's too many issues the APA wants to negociate. So it's status-quo forever, government has the leverage........

MM

I beg to differ. In the scales of negotiations, the NMB is the fulcrum. Where they move the fulcrum--either towards management or labor is up to them. The leverage is whomever has the strength. Right now it's management because they're painting the picture that the APA's demands are unrealistic. So unless APA comes off of their position (read Bate's letter) or has some political influence with the NMB (not likely when you're not affiliated with AFL-CIO) they're going to be parked.

Had it been the other way around...and labor had the strength...you'd see the NMB release the parties.