Anyone see that news clip?

[ToiletDuck]

Did anyone see the newsclip today of the C-5 taking off with supplies in it to try and help that Russian crew? My friend and I were freaking out. The reporters and everyone didn't notice but it didn't even start to rotate until the thousand foot markers and went wheels up with about 300ft left. Pretty interesting.

 

[wmuflyguy]

nevermind

 

[ToiletDuck]

But it was taking off in perfect condition....

 

[FN FAL]

Main Entry: hys·te·ria
Pronunciation: his-'ter-E-&, -'tir-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from English hysteric, adjective, from Latin hystericus, from Greek hysterikos, from hystera womb; from the Greek notion that hysteria was peculiar to women and caused by disturbances of the uterus
1 : a psychoneurosis marked by emotional excitability and disturbances of the psychic, sensory, vasomotor, and visceral functions
2 : behavior exhibiting overwhelming or unmanageable fear or emotional excess <political hysteria>

 

[FracCapt]

Did anyone see the newsclip today of the C-5 taking off with supplies in it to try and help that Russian crew? My friend and I were freaking out. The reporters and everyone didn't notice but it didn't even start to rotate until the thousand foot markers and went wheels up with about 300ft left. Pretty interesting.

So? Chances are they were way beyond V1(takeoff decision speed), so regardless of what went wrong, they were going flying.....they just elected to keep it on the runway longer to allow it to accelerate more(and more quickly) without the induced drag. On short runways(especially with warm weather), it's not abnormal to keep a jet on the runway until well beyond V1. When you're right on the jagged edge, let it accelerate on the ground...where it will accelerate faster than if it's struggling to climb.

 

[Kream926]

ever see that video of the fighter jet trying do to a go around but couldnt cause of induced drag? correct me if im wrong but isnt induced drag more <whats the word im looking for here> in jets than it is piston props?

 

[FracCapt]

correct me if im wrong but isnt induced drag more <whats the word im looking for here> in jets than it is piston props?

A jet, immediately after takeoff, is flying relatively close to its stall speed....which means the wing has to create a lot of lift with a little airspeed....which puts it in a similar situation as a straight wing plane flying just a couple knots above a stall. A big difference between a jet and a prop is that a prop plane(except pusher props) can induce airflow over the wings(by increasing power) and keep the airplane flying at a lower speed simply due to the airflow that the prop pushes over it. Make sense? I've been drinking...so it probably doesn't. Think of it this way. A prop driven plane has a lower stall speed power on than it does power off...same thing.

 

[viper548]

Depending on the priority of the mission, certain things can be waivered such as all 4 engines operating, balanced field length, 3 engine climb, etc.

 

[chperplt]

Sounds like a typical -80 take off in LGA.

 

[NookyBooky]

Did anyone see the newsclip today of the C-5 taking off with supplies in it to try and help that Russian crew? My friend and I were freaking out. The reporters and everyone didn't notice but it didn't even start to rotate until the thousand foot markers and went wheels up with about 300ft left. Pretty interesting.

Ah yes the dreaded 8,000 foot take off from a sea level field, those cargo hot shots have it rough......

 

[Donsa320]

ever see that video of the fighter jet trying do to a go around but couldnt cause of induced drag? correct me if im wrong but isnt induced drag more <whats the word im looking for here> in jets than it is piston props?

It was called the Sabre Dance....F-86's were prone to it.

~DC

 

[juan2go]

"it didn't even start to rotate until the thousand foot markers...."

Maybe they were just trying to use some of the runway that Air France didn't!

regards,

Juan

 

[LearLove]

It was called the Sabre Dance....F-86's were prone to it.

~DC

I think thats a F-100 in the video your talking about. The footage of that was used in the movie "the hunters" (and maybe some other movies) where they were flying 86's. Its all "george" you know.

 

[ToiletDuck]

Depending on the priority of the mission, certain things can be waivered such as all 4 engines operating, balanced field length, 3 engine climb, etc.

I'm pretty sure that on a C5 with something as simple as transporting a mini-sub they'd pick one from the fleet with all engines operating.

 

[CrewDawg]

I think learlove is right on this one. Back when my unit flew F-100's they lost a plane right here on the field and unfortunatly a pilot or two who go into "sabre dance."

 

[Dangerkitty]

Did anyone see the newsclip today of the C-5 taking off with supplies in it to try and help that Russian crew? My friend and I were freaking out. The reporters and everyone didn't notice but it didn't even start to rotate until the thousand foot markers and went wheels up with about 300ft left. Pretty interesting.

So whats the big deal? What is so interesting?

 

[FN FAL]

So whats the big deal? What is so interesting?

Hysteria...it's a fad that's gripping the land.

The first signs of national hysteria, was the movie, "Reefer Madness".

Then, there was, "Guess who's coming to dinner?" with Sidney Portier.

Next thing you know, the movies, "The Russians are coming!", "A Clockwork Orange" and "The Rocky Horror Picture Show", damb near sent the country into a grave yard hysteria spiral...along with the book, "A Catcher in the Rye".

Some how or another, Hoola Hoops, Mood Rings, Pet Rocks, Ninja Turtles, Cabbage Patch Dolls, INXS, politically correctedness, hyphen-Americans and "Reality TV", got into the frey and now the whole country has gone bonkers with HYSTERIA.

I can't tell you any more than that, Miss Kitty Kat will have to fill you in with the "Nitty Gritty" if you have any more questions...

 

[k_EAT=ho_ME]

Hysteria...it's a fad that's gripping the land.

Like this gem from last week, regarding the Air France accident:

But instead of whinning on this board and sending hate emails why don't you spend your energy saying a prayer for these poor people or at least wishing them the best of luck. A lot of people lost someone they love today. Somebody's kid is dead. Somebody's dad is gone. Somebody's mother is never coming home.

 

[JWilliams]

I think by the time a C-5 pilot is running a mission like that, I think (hope?) he knows what he's doing.

My TV is fubar right now so I didn't get to see it, what base did they leave from?

 

[FN FAL]

Like this gem from last week, regarding the Air France accident:

That's hysterical.

 

[ToiletDuck]

So whats the big deal? What is so interesting?

I'm guessing you didn't see it then. It was pretty cool.


As far as a C5 pilot know's what he's doing. I talked to one just this week who said the C5 was the 3rd plane he had ever flown. He learned in a 172, got his multi in a Baron, then moved into the C5 and has been flying it for about 3 yrs now.

 

[FN FAL]

I'm guessing you didn't see it then. It was pretty cool.


As far as a C5 pilot know's what he's doing. I talked to one just this week who said the C5 was the 3rd plane he had ever flown. He learned in a 172, got his multi in a Baron, then moved into the C5 and has been flying it for about 3 yrs now.

When I was going to 141 flight school, I was enrolled at a private gym. At the gym, I worked out with this United guy, who came strictly from the military ranks. He told me that little planes, like the ones I was flying at flight school, didn't need flaps. He also told me that little planes were inherently dangerous, because of all the airline pilots that he knew that died flying them on their off duty time.

 

[Donsa320]

I think thats a F-100 in the video your talking about. The footage of that was used in the movie "the hunters" (and maybe some other movies) where they were flying 86's. Its all "george" you know.

Could have been, but the F-100 was called the "Super Sabre", no?

~DC

 

[Dangerkitty]

I'm guessing you didn't see it then. It was pretty cool.

You just described they vast majority of heavy jets flying international. Someone stated earlier that you just described the vast majority of S-80's taking off from LGA. That is very true. I dont know how many times I have been flying the S-80 only to be rotating the aircraft with only about 1000 feet of runway left. It is times like this that you better respect and adhere to V1 very very carefully.

 

[Dangerkitty]

The reporters and everyone didn't notice but it didn't even start to rotate until the thousand foot markers and went wheels up with about 300ft left. Pretty interesting.

WOW, a normal takeoff in a C-5 carrying a full load going a very long distance.
What would the reporters notice or comment on? Balanced field lengths and minumum segment climb gradients?

 

[FN FAL]

You just described they vast majority of heavy jets flying international. Someone stated earlier that you just described the vast majority of S-80's taking off from LGA. That is very true. I dont know how many times I have been flying the S-80 only to be rotating the aircraft with only about 1000 feet of runway left. It is times like this that you better respect and adhere to V1 very very carefully.

I can't remember what airport we departed from, but I was on a larger twin engine airliner...possibly American Airlines...headed out to the John Wayne airport on the west coast. It was a pretty long flight and it was packed. When the aircraft rotated, that was pretty much the end of the runway. I had about 3,000 hours at the time with about 200 multi, most of which was in turbocharged 300 series Cessna. Seeing the runway end go by after rotation was pretty startling.

 

[Donsa320]

I can't remember what airport we departed from, but I was on a larger twin engine airliner...possibly American Airlines...headed out to the John Wayne airport on the west coast. It was a pretty long flight and it was packed. When the aircraft rotated, that was pretty much the end of the runway. I had about 3,000 hours at the time with about 200 multi, most of which was in turbocharged 300 series Cessna. Seeing the runway end go by after rotation was pretty startling.

A 195,000 lb Boeing 727 taking off from SFO is not any better. You get to see the runway numbers at both ends.
~DC

 

[ToiletDuck]

WOW, a normal takeoff in a C-5 carrying a full load going a very long distance.
What would the reporters notice or comment on? Balanced field lengths and minumum segment climb gradients?

Well i've watched a couple hundred C5 takeoffs on an 8k strip and I've never seen one takeoff like that. They fly in and out of here all the time and I've yet to see one cut it anywhere near that close. So when I saw one take off completely different than all the rest I've seen up close then it didn't appear to be a normal takeoff.

Why be the jerk. Just don't comment.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Well i've watched a couple hundred C5 takeoffs on an 8k strip and I've never seen one takeoff like that. They fly in and out of here all the time and I've yet to see one cut it anywhere near that close. So when I saw one take off completely different than all the rest I've seen up close then it didn't appear to be a normal takeoff.

Why be the jerk. Just don't comment.

You dont get it do you? You are basically being made fun of since you started this thread.

You come on here and allude to the fact that since it had such a long takeoff roll then it must have had a problem. Instead, why don't you come on here and ASK C-5 pilots if such a takeoff is normal. Just because it doesn't look normal to you doesn't make it so.

Furthermore you then state how you can't believe the reporters weren't commenting on the long takeoff roll. Do we really want to get the press involved in evaluating the takeoff of a professional C-5 crew. The press can't get even the most simple aviation concepts correct. I would hate for them to get involved in balanced field lengths, V1 speeds, second segment climb gradients, and all those other concepts that you have no clue about.

 

[ToiletDuck]

I'm simply stating that I've seen tons of C-5 takeoffs of which none looked like what I saw on TV. And I thought it was a cool sight and wanted to know if anyone else has seen it. If it's not cool to you then that's fine. I didn't post anything to talk about aircraft performances I just thought it was an awesome sight seeing something so big use the entire runway. Secondly I'm not talking about any of that crap you are so stuff it. It was a cool takeoff. How many C5's have you watched? As I've stated I've seen tons and never seen one do that so it was abnormal to me. And FYI I am plenty familiar with those concepts. Just because you fly a small lear doesn't make you god. It was just a cool sight so leave it at that. Good God.