Anyone know of a list of retirements by year @ different airlines Yeah 65 just add 5

[hmmm]

Anyone know of a list of retirements by year at different airlines

Yeah 65 so we will just add 5

And can anyone answer without being a tool.

Lets find out.

 

[Big Slick]

This is a a couple of years old:

American Airlines Retirements:
2005-219
2006-313
2007-351
2008-457
2009-459
2010-397
2011-340
2012-329
2013-405
2014-405
2015-584
2016-643
2017-691
2018-739
2019-735
2020-750
2021-724
2022-623
2023-509
2024-486
2025-417

 

[ualdriver]

I don't think that it will be as bad as "just add 5." For example, guys will still be forced to retire for medical reasons, and the likelihood of someone having to retire medically in any given year will increase as one gets older. Further, I bet many guys will consider retiring when they hit the minimum social security retirement age of 62. That 2 year delay will help them with their monthly PBGC benefit as well if they have one coming to them. And of course, there will be some guys who just won't work that long, period.

I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture for hiring when this age 65 deal kicks in because the hiring situation will worsen I'm sure. And I also assume that any hope of a "pilot shortage" and wages coming up in response to that smaller supply will probably be dashed for a few years. But I bet age 65 slows hiring down for closer to 2-3 years vs. 5 years.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Don't forget the medical retirements. I have heard as high as for every three retirements that make it to 60 1 person does not make it for medical reasons. That number would go up if people were trying to make it to 65.

 

[ualdriver]

Don't forget the medical retirements. I have heard as high as for every three retirements that make it to 60 1 person does not make it for medical reasons. That number would go up if people were trying to make it to 65.

I didn't. Read sentence 2! It will be interesting to see how many guys leave for medical reasons and what sick leave usage will look like for guys over 60.

 

[hmmm]

Hey these are some good responses.

 

[hmmm]

I have been searching and searching on Google. The above is the first I've seen.

Anything on Airtran, Delta, Continental etc.

 

[hmmm]

Clicked submit / slow conection 3 times no joy will not let me delete my extra posts.

 

[hmmm]

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[AppBrookie]

AirTran is a very very young pilot group, don't expect to move up alot due to retirements. I have been here almost 4 years, in my late 30's and will retire around 250, that's pretty bad considering there's just over 1500 folks on property now. That's at age 60, actually 65 will be the same.

 

[ToThePain]

I don't think that it will be as bad as "just add 5." For example, guys will still be forced to retire for medical reasons, and the likelihood of someone having to retire medically in any given year will increase as one gets older. Further, I bet many guys will consider retiring when they hit the minimum social security retirement age of 62. That 2 year delay will help them with their monthly PBGC benefit as well if they have one coming to them. And of course, there will be some guys who just won't work that long, period.

I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture for hiring when this age 65 deal kicks in because the hiring situation will worsen I'm sure. And I also assume that any hope of a "pilot shortage" and wages coming up in response to that smaller supply will probably be dashed for a few years. But I bet age 65 slows hiring down for closer to 2-3 years vs. 5 years.

I believe that you are correct. Airlines that still have a lump sum will not be affected as much as the ones that do not have a lump sum. The new pension laws will seriously affect the amount paid out on those lump sums, diminishing returns each year. At worst I see some of the pilots here at CAL staying on till 62 when they can draw health care and leave. The majority of those pilots have been saving their sick time for a health coverage bridge for an age 60 retirements. Of the people that stay most will probably call out sick at least once a month causing the companies to continue hiring even if they aren't expanding.
CAL does have a pretty aggressive expansion plan (especially international) with lots of planes coming and is still understaffed. I don't have a crystal ball but would guess that hiring will continue.

Planes coming: 30 737 NGs for 2008 (retiring I believe 17 737-300's), 24 737NGs and 2-3 787s for 2009, and 10 737 NGs and 6 787s for 2009-2012.

Retirement numbers at CAL(total pilots@4897):
2008:193 ----2013:180---- 2018:186
2009:200 ----2014:197---- 2019:154
2010:190 ----2015:168---- 2020:155
2011:207 ----2016:191---- 2021:162
2012:211 ----2017:179---- 2022:164

 

[ToThePain]

I don't think that it will be as bad as "just add 5." For example, guys will still be forced to retire for medical reasons, and the likelihood of someone having to retire medically in any given year will increase as one gets older. Further, I bet many guys will consider retiring when they hit the minimum social security retirement age of 62. That 2 year delay will help them with their monthly PBGC benefit as well if they have one coming to them. And of course, there will be some guys who just won't work that long, period.

I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture for hiring when this age 65 deal kicks in because the hiring situation will worsen I'm sure. And I also assume that any hope of a "pilot shortage" and wages coming up in response to that smaller supply will probably be dashed for a few years. But I bet age 65 slows hiring down for closer to 2-3 years vs. 5 years.

I believe that you are correct. Airlines that still have a lump sum will not be affected as much as the ones that do not have a lump sum. The new pension laws will seriously affect the amount paid out on those lump sums, diminishing returns each year. At worst I see some of the pilots here at CAL staying on till 62 when they can draw health care and leave. The majority of those pilots have been saving their sick time for a health coverage bridge for an age 60 retirements. Of the people that stay most will probably call out sick at least once a month causing the companies to continue hiring even if they aren't expanding.
CAL does have a pretty aggressive expansion plan (especially international) with lots of planes coming and is still understaffed. I don't have a crystal ball but would guess that hiring will continue.

Planes coming: 30 737 NGs for 2008 (retiring I believe 17 737-300's), 24 737NGs and 2-3 787s for 2009, and 10 737 NGs and 6 787s for 2009-2012.

Retirement numbers at CAL(total pilots@4897):
2008:193 ----2013:180---- 2018:186
2009:200 ----2014:197---- 2019:154
2010:190 ----2015:168---- 2020:155
2011:207 ----2016:191---- 2021:162
2012:211 ----2017:179---- 2022:164

 

[igneousy2]

Alaska...1502 pilots

2007-61
2008-48
2009-43
2010-48
2011-52
2012-49
2013-47
2014-50
2015-55
2016-58
2017-59
2018-51
2019-58
2020-58
2021-52
2022-79
2023-56
2024-74
2025-51
2026-54
2027-67
2028-53
2029-64
2030-56
2031-50
2032-31
2033-16
2034-22
2035-10
2036-11
2037-8
2038-7
2039-3
2040-1

 

[hmmm]

Very Good Information

 

[Crzipilot]

Airways retirement numbers, East and West pilot groups. Of those that were active 3/1/06:

Yr. East West

08 143 46

09 185 47

10 163 52

11 191 44

12 214 65

13 220 51

14 231 71

15 206 69

16 185 68

17 159 66

18 162 85

19 112 78

20 113 88

21 73 90

22 57 94

23 18 77

24 10 92

25 1 94


Year 2025 equals 100% of US East pilots retired that were active on the seniority list as of 3/1/2006. After 2025 there are still 25% of the West list remaining, or about 500 pilots with the last one retireing in 2039.

Of the recent recalls to the east side, There will be a smattering increase of retirement numbers through the years. If everyone had accepted recall, the youngest pilot on the seniority list would have retired in 2035. Still 4 years before the youngest America West guy. Kinda of hard to pull the numbers out, but looking at the East retirements, including those on furloughed, the numbers look like this.

Yr East

08 177

09 232

10 194

11 246

12 267

13 283

14 289

15 289

16 292

17 255

18 261

19 209

20 222

21 168

22 165

23 148

24 118

25 97

26 103

27 109

28 69

29 68

30 62

31 47

32 27

33 15

34 4

35 4

 

[hmmm]

Does anyone have the retirement numbers for United like above.

How bout NWA and DL

 

[hmmm]

bump?

 

[ewarning]

Dal Numbers

200725993200860593320097058632010895774201113056442012155548920132185271201426450072015333467420164734201201755036512018521313020195192611202045121602021392176820222871481202326812132024254959202527268720262214662027142324202811920520297313220305775203142332032132

 

[aircowboy]

Nwa???

 

[Andy]

Based on the 7 July 06 seniority list; a total of 8655 pilots on the list
2006 141
2007 263
2008 234
2009 231
2010 201
2011 167
2012 228
2013 245
2014 237
2015 270
2016 331
2017 307
2018 381
2019 355
2020 463
2021 506
2022 506
2023 575
2024 574
2025 538
2026 560
2027 408
2028 300
2029 226
2030 153

Does not account for recalls who resigned.

 

[Andy]

July 2007 seniority list; a total of 7955 pilots on the list
2007 127
2008 232
2009 228
2010 197
2011 167
2012 222
2013 238
2014 232
2015 265
2016 326
2017 296
2018 370
2019 347
2020 449
2021 497
2022 484
2023 547
2024 539
2025 506
2026 533
2027 369
2028 249
2029 168
2030 139
2031 94
2032 65
2033 54
2034 37
2035 14
2036 9

This does not include the 230-some furloughees that haven't returned and are no longer on the seniority list.

 

[JAM-BRO]

NWA numbers.
Number on the right is retirements senior to me. I am a '98 hire 4200SSN.
Number on the left is my projected seniority on those dates. Nov 2 birthday.




11/1/2008 3928 305
11/1/2009 3744 184
11/1/2010 3542 202
11/1/2011 3318 224
11/1/2012 3083 235
11/1/2013 2830 253
11/1/2014 2556 274
11/1/2015 2258 298
11/1/2016 1941 317
11/1/2017 1637 304
11/1/2018 1366 271
11/1/2019 1109 257
11/1/2020 859 250
11/1/2021 684 175
11/1/2022 544 140
11/1/2023 404 140
11/1/2024 292 112
11/1/2025 187 105
11/1/2026 103 84

 

[PHXFLYR]

Airways retirement numbers, East and West pilot groups. Of those that were active 3/1/06:

Yr. East West

08 143 46

09 185 47

10 163 52

11 191 44

12 214 65

13 220 51

14 231 71

15 206 69

16 185 68

17 159 66

18 162 85

19 112 78

20 113 88

21 73 90

22 57 94

23 18 77

24 10 92

25 1 94


Year 2025 equals 100% of US East pilots retired that were active on the seniority list as of 3/1/2006. After 2025 there are still 25% of the West list remaining, or about 500 pilots with the last one retireing in 2039.

Of the recent recalls to the east side, There will be a smattering increase of retirement numbers through the years. If everyone had accepted recall, the youngest pilot on the seniority list would have retired in 2035. Still 4 years before the youngest America West guy. Kinda of hard to pull the numbers out, but looking at the East retirements, including those on furloughed, the numbers look like this.

Yr East

08 177

09 232

10 194

11 246

12 267

13 283

14 289

15 289

16 292

17 255

18 261

19 209

20 222

21 168

22 165

23 148

24 118

25 97

26 103

27 109

28 69

29 68

30 62

31 47

32 27

33 15

34 4

35 4

Where did you find the west retirement numbers?

PHXFLYR

 

[RedheadCFI]

re: DAL Numbers..

200725993200860593320097058632010895774201113056442012155548920132185271201426450072015333467420164734201201755036512018521313020195192611202045121602021392176820222871481202326812132024254959202527268720262214662027142324202811920520297313220305775203142332032132

I think I translated these correctly.

2007 25 5993
2008 60 5933
2009 70 5863
2010 89 5774
2011 130 5644
2012 155 5489
2013 218 5271
2014 264 5007
2015 333 4674
2016 473 4201
2017 550 3651
2018 521 3130
2019 519 2611
2020 451 2160
2021 392 1768
2022 287 1481
2023 268 1213
2024 254 959
2025 272 687
2026 221 466
2027 142 324
2028 119 205
2029 73 132
2030 57 75
2031 42 33
2032 1 32

 

[Andy]

Wow! Delta really cleared out the senior pilots. Hardly any retirements in the next few years.

 

[ewarning]

DAL Cleared out

Redhead,

Thanks for fixing the numbers for me. I posted them quickly between legs and did not notice until later that they were messed up.

Yes DAL cleared out most of the older than 50 crowd prior to the bankruptcy. Lump sum payout!

Slow upward movement for the next few years, but then get ready for a good ride to the top.

E

Wow! Delta really cleared out the senior pilots. Hardly any retirements in the next few years.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Year 2025 equals 100% of US East pilots retired that were active on the seniority list as of 3/1/2006. After 2025 there are still 25% of the West list remaining, or about 500 pilots with the last one retireing in 2039.

Of the recent recalls to the east side, There will be a smattering increase of retirement numbers through the years. If everyone had accepted recall, the youngest pilot on the seniority list would have retired in 2035. Still 4 years before the youngest America West guy. Kinda of hard to pull the numbers out, but looking at the East retirements, including those on furloughed, the numbers look like this.

Yr East

08 177

09 232

10 194

11 246

12 267

13 283

14 289

15 289

16 292

17 255

18 261

19 209

20 222

21 168

22 165

23 148

24 118

25 97

26 103

27 109

28 69

29 68

30 62

31 47

32 27

33 15

34 4

35 4

Hmmm. I wonder who THAT was...

 

[Crzipilot]

Ya...dunno who that was..hehehe....

PHXFlyer, the west retirement numbers were listed in some chart put out by the merger committee some time ago.....dunno if it's right, but only numbers I've ever seen

 

[PHXFLYR]

Same here. First time I've ever seen them posted anywhere. Thanks for the info..and by the way,welcome back!

:beer:

PHXFLYR

 

[Airtran717]

Airtran retirements are very small (young pilot group). This is about a year old.

2006 - 12
2007 - 12
2008 - 15
2009 - 14
2010 - 12
2011 - 20
2012 - 14
2013 - 18
2014 - 18
2015 - 18
2016 - 37
2017 - 29
2018 - 34
2019 - 41
2020 - 35
2021 - 59
2022 - 62
2023 - 52
2024 - 51
2025 - 55
2026 - 71
2027 - 65
2028 - 71
2029 - 76
2030 - 66
2031 - 62
2032 - 68
2033 - 44
2034 - 40
2035 - 31
2036 - 21
2037 - 10
2038 - 2
2039 - 1