Anyone know of a list of retirements by year @ different airlines Yeah 65 just add 5

[PHXFLYR]

Your a better man than me. Did night freight for 2 years at ATI. Couldn't keep my eyes open much past midnight if I tried.

PHXFLYR

 

[Herk Bubba]

AA's numbers

Kind of eye-watering, isn't it?

Kind of sucks if you're looking for a job between now and, oh.... 5 years from now....

12/24/2007 - 12/31/2007 0
01/01/2008 - 12/31/2008 0
01/01/2009 - 12/31/2009 0
01/01/2010 - 12/31/2010 0
01/01/2011 - 12/31/2011 0
01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 10
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 359
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 391
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 352
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 304
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 306
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 383
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 473
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 565
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 620
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 677
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 730
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 731
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 743
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 714
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 589

 

[Herk Bubba]

kind of eye-watering, isn't it?

Kind of sucks if you're looking for a job between now and, oh.... 5 years from now....

12/24/2007 - 12/31/2007 0
01/01/2008 - 12/31/2008 0
01/01/2009 - 12/31/2009 0
01/01/2010 - 12/31/2010 0
01/01/2011 - 12/31/2011 0
01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 10
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 359
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 391
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 352
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 304
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 306
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 383
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 473
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 565
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 620
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 677
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 730
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 731
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 743
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 714
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 589

Slow Saturday morning before I take the boy to soccer...

Ruminating over a cup of coffee where the AAmerican AAirlines career went...

Interesting to see what's happened over the past 2.5 yrs - where a majority of the "early" retirements have come from since the law changed.

FWIW... These are forecast retirements over the next 20 yrs as of today.

05/01/2010 - 12/31/2010 0
01/01/2011 - 12/31/2011 0
01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 5
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 136
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 197
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 258
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 249
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 283
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 356
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 456
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 545
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 605
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 658
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 705
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 720
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 734
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 706
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 588
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 497
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 472
01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 410

 

[Herk Bubba]

Slow Saturday morning before I take the boy to soccer...

Ruminating over a cup of coffee where the AAmerican AAirlines career went...

Interesting to see what's happened over the past 2.5 yrs - where a majority of the "early" retirements have come from since the law changed.

FWIW... These are forecast retirements over the next 20 yrs as of today.

05/01/2010 - 12/31/2010 0
01/01/2011 - 12/31/2011 0
01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 5
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 136
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 197
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 258
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 249
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 283
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 356
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 456
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 545
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 605
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 658
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 705
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 720
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 734
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 706
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 588
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 497
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 472
01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 410

Happy New Year at AA...

01/03/2011 - 12/31/2011 0
01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 5
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 124
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 172
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 226
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 242
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 277
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 344
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 448
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 543
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 599
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 660
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 707
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 715
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 729
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 706
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 588
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 495
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 470
01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 410
01/01/2031 - 12/31/2031 433

 

[Herk Bubba]

Happy New Year at AA...

01/03/2011 - 12/31/2011 0
01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 5
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 124
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 172
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 226
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 242
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 277
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 344
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 448
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 543
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 599
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 660
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 707
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 715
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 729
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 706
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 588
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 495
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 470
01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 410
01/01/2031 - 12/31/2031 433

Boom... and another year comes and goes for a once great airline...

01/07/2012 - 12/31/2012 5
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 83
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 99
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 129
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 154
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 234
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 322
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 434
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 540
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 597
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 661
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 711
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 724
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 727
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 714
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 597
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 515
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 477
01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 416
01/01/2031 - 12/31/2031 437
01/01/2032 - 12/31/2032 388

 

[Flyby1206]

jetblue (As of July 2011):

2012 7
2013 2
2014 3
2015 5
2016 10
2017 13
2018 18
2019 12
2020 27
2021 34
2022 38
2023 46
2024 71
2025 70
2026 60
2027 79
2028 101
2029 116
2030 122
2031 113
2032 129
2033 158
2034 125
2035 143
2036 107
2037 99
2038 89
2039 78
2040 61
2041 77
2042 39
2043 36
2044 25
2045 30
2046 16
2047 7
2048 7
2049 2

 

[Mamma]

Is this an age 65 scale?

jetblue (As of July 2011):

2012 7
2013 2
2014 3
2015 5
2016 10
2017 13
2018 18
2019 12
2020 27
2021 34
2022 38
2023 46
2024 71
2025 70
2026 60
2027 79
2028 101
2029 116
2030 122
2031 113
2032 129
2033 158
2034 125
2035 143
2036 107
2037 99
2038 89
2039 78
2040 61
2041 77
2042 39
2043 36
2044 25
2045 30
2046 16
2047 7
2048 7
2049 2

 

[Flyby1206]

Is this an age 65 scale?

Yep...

 

[Mamma]

Yep...

Unless you guys keep growing it seems progression is going to be very slow. How long for a new hire to make it to 320 Capt?

 

[Flyby1206]

Unless you guys keep growing it seems progression is going to be very slow. How long for a new hire to make it to 320 Capt?

My WAG is 8+yrs for A320 CA.

I live in base (BOS) so life at the bottom is tolerable. I wouldnt recommend JB to anyone who isnt comfortable with commuting to JFK or BOS for a long long time.

 

[Sy-bill]

Unless you guys keep growing it seems progression is going to be very slow. How long for a new hire to make it to 320 Capt?

With zero and without negative growth, optimistically about 20 years.

If the company remains healthy there should be nominal growth to ease up on those numbers.

 

[145 Lawndart]

jetblue (As of July 2011):

2012 7
2013 2
2014 3
2015 5
2016 10
2017 13
2018 18
2019 12
2020 27
2021 34
2022 38
2023 46
2024 71
2025 70
2026 60
2027 79
2028 101
2029 116
2030 122
2031 113
2032 129
2033 158
2034 125
2035 143
2036 107
2037 99
2038 89
2039 78
2040 61
2041 77
2042 39
2043 36
2044 25
2045 30
2046 16
2047 7
2048 7
2049 2

Where did you come up with those numbers? People are using these numbers as fact. Not cool if you are just making it up.

 

[Flyby1206]

Where did you come up with those numbers? People are using these numbers as fact. Not cool if you are just making it up.

Not sure where they came from, so there could be mistakes. Take it with a grain of salt but I see no reason why someone would create fake retirement numbers

 

[Herk Bubba]

Boom... and another year comes and goes for a once great airline...

01/07/2012 - 12/31/2012 5
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 83
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 99
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 129
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 154
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 234
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 322
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 434
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 540
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 597
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 661
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 711
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 724
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 727
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 714
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 597
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 515
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 477
01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 416
01/01/2031 - 12/31/2031 437
01/01/2032 - 12/31/2032 388

Bring in 2013... And mandatory retirements back to AA.

01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 62
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 84
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 112
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 135
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 191
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 301
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 419
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 535
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 580
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 646
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 703
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 717
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 714
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 705
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 596
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 511
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 474
01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 415
01/01/2031 - 12/31/2031 435
01/01/2032 - 12/31/2032 386
01/01/2033 - 12/31/2033 368

 

[Crash Pad]

I don't think that it will be as bad as "just add 5." For example, guys will still be forced to retire for medical reasons, and the likelihood of someone having to retire medically in any given year will increase as one gets older. Further, I bet many guys will consider retiring when they hit the minimum social security retirement age of 62. That 2 year delay will help them with their monthly PBGC benefit as well if they have one coming to them. And of course, there will be some guys who just won't work that long, period.

I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture for hiring when this age 65 deal kicks in because the hiring situation will worsen I'm sure. And I also assume that any hope of a "pilot shortage" and wages coming up in response to that smaller supply will probably be dashed for a few years. But I bet age 65 slows hiring down for closer to 2-3 years vs. 5 years.

The way we were.

I remember asking 59 year olds if the law was changed if they would go to 65.

"No chance. I'm already sick of the job. Five more years sounds awful."

File that one next to "it's not about the money for me".

 

[slaquer5]

The way we were.

I remember asking 59 year olds if the law was changed if they would go to 65.

"No chance. I'm already sick of the job. Five more years sounds awful."

File that one next to "it's not about the money for me".

How True..

That is the perfect analogy.

 

[General Lee]

How True..

That is the perfect analogy.

I don't know how anyone could last 30 years doing 5 legs per day, 25 min turns....??


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[nimtz]

The way we were.

I remember asking 59 year olds if the law was changed if they would go to 65.

"No chance. I'm already sick of the job. Five more years sounds awful."

File that one next to "it's not about the money for me".

Exactly! My favorite legacy quote "All I need is 2 years to get back what those rotten b@stards stole from me and then I'm outta here!"

 

[jonjuan]

I don't know how anyone could last 30 years doing 5 legs per day, 25 min turns....??


Bye Bye---General Lee

Ask your wife. :smash:

 

[slaquer5]

I don't know how anyone could last 30 years doing 5 legs per day, 25 min turns....??


Bye Bye---General Lee

W actually fly 25 legs a day and do 5 minute turns