Anyone has training contract and what type!

[501261]

Ace, you are flat wrong. You speak of the FSI full service contract as having 1 or 2 events or it is limiting in some way. That is not the case at all; are you famailar with what exactly a FSI full service sontract is? An initial full service has a initial/type, unlimited recurrents for 2 aircraft. A Full service recurrent has unlimited amounts of recurrents for 2 aircraft, and that is used when the person has already been to an initial on the aircraft (in most cases)

The FSI full service recurrent contract has NO limits on the # of recurrent events that 1 attends AND it can be paid in quarters, bi-annualy, anually, etc. If a pilot leaves or the department closes, FSI will refund the unused portion based upon what has been used if that is what the comapny wants. A guy leaving a company the day he gets home from a recurrent then the company hires a guy already typed and sends him to recurrent will take over the previously purchased contract and the company would incur no additional expense from FSI.

Dang you are one stubborn son of a gun! I can't believe someone has enough bravado to come out here and give advise on something they know nothing about!

How many people are going to have to tell you that you can't get "unlimited" recurrents till you realize you are wrong!

Might want to check your facts, bucko.

That used to be the case and is not anymore, you get a maximum of 2 events during a 12 month period. In the old days, you could schedule as many as you wanted, then they made it so you could only schedule 2 events, but could train as much as you wanted but only last minute and pending their schedule. Now they only alow 2 training events.

The full service agreements that are in use today, as I understand it, are indeed limited to 2 "events" per year. The interpretation of "event" may or may not vary from center to center.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=910189

Yes, with a Full Service Contract you can go and play in the sim as much as you want to, in two airplanes even, for "proficiency". However, you can only attend two "Training Events" per year. In other words, you can hop in the sim and shoot approaches into Aspen, practice "checkrides" or whatever floats your boat as much as you want. But you can only attend two actual classes, and without attending those actual classes, FSI (under their 142 certificate) is not allowed to generate paperwork showing you are "checked" under either 61.55, 61.58, 135.293, or 135.297. And without the paperwork showing you are "checked", you may as well not have done it.

Here's Paragraph 2(again), 4 and 8 of a Full Service Contract.

"(2) Payment: The customer agrees to pay FSI, as compensation for two (2) training events, as an annual fee for each pilot listed on Appendix A, at the rate specified opposite the Pilot's name. All payments shall be made upon receipt of invoice. Charges paid will not be refunded nor unpaid obligations canceled."

(4) Aircraft Covered: This agreement provides training on a Primary aircraft as well as Recurrent training on a Secondary Aircraft as long as its cost is equal or less than the cost of the Primary aircraft program. If the secondary aircraft is a higher priced then an Upgrade is required (see Upgrades). If initial training is required on the Secondary aircraft, it will be billed at fifty percent (50%) of the current One-Time price for that program.

(8) Upgrades: Pilots listed on Appendix A are required to upgrade to the highest priced program on which they are training, or pay the current One-Time price for that training. A pilot can upgrade to a new higher-priced program at any time during by paying the difference between the two programs. The Effective Date of the new program will remain the same as the origin program.

 

[Freight Dog]

Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but there are some good discussions with respect to training contracts.

Does anyone signing these training contracts also ask their employer to sign a severance clause in their employment contract?

Is it wrong to seek a severance package in case the company or the owner decide to sell the airplane/downsize/let you go because they don't like the hair gel you're using?

 

[bertengineer]

Got the letter yesterday to pay back AirNet 7K. I did 8 months there...6.5 flying the line...and they want the whole 7K. Good luck getting blood from a stone! I left 2 years ago and they just sent the letter certified mail via a lawyer.