Anyone been to an XJT roadshow yet?

[Clutch]

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Versus Ed Fortaw and Dan Utley.

Dan and Ed have been flying regional aircraft for 20 plus years. They have been in the regional industry their entire careers and captains and line holders nearly all of that time. Because of impeccable positioning and just plain ole fking luck, Dan and Ed have never worried about their QOL or job retention. When Dan and Ed aren't flying RJ's, they're busy studying negotiating tactics on wikipedia.

 

[Freebrd]

The five year term is what really bothers me.

Things are changing too fast for us to make that kind of commitment.

Bingo! And lousy 1 1/2 % raise every 18 months, and no raise on the big RJs unless we get more? WTF does that have to do with it! Hope someone at the Brad & Charly Show asked about why is a 60%+ raise (to 1.3 mil) ok for him but not even peanuts for us lowly pilots. :angryfire

 

[Freebrd]

Versus Ed Fortaw and Dan Utley.

Dan and Ed have been flying regional aircraft for 20 plus years. They have been in the regional industry their entire careers and captains and line holders nearly all of that time. Because of impeccable positioning and just plain ole fking luck, Dan and Ed have never worried about their QOL or job retention. When Dan and Ed aren't flying RJ's, they're busy studying negotiating tactics on wikipedia.

Utley just a union leach for the bucks, Ed I'm greatly disappointed in but then again, Newie is the biggest problem. TERM LIMITS!

 

[Clutch]

Utley just a union leach for the bucks, Ed I'm greatly disappointed in but then again, Newie is the biggest problem. TERM LIMITS!

How are you disappointed in someone who has nothing but giving FO's sht listed as negotiating experience?

The deer in headlights glare was simply worth going to the road show when Ed was raked for the obvious leniency towards nap duty rigs. He actually pretended that he never considered that it would affect him personally.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

How are you disappointed in someone who has nothing but giving FO's sht listed as negotiating experience?

The deer in headlights glare was simply worth going to the road show when Ed was raked for the obvious leniency towards nap duty rigs. He actually pretended that he never considered that it would affect him personally.

Clutch, your candid and honest transcription of these events is sincerely appreciated. Many of us honestly do not have an opportunity to attend these events or interpret the inner workings of our MEC; due to scheduling, family, or proximity constraints.

 

[Clutch]

Clutch, your candid and honest transcription of these events is sincerely appreciated. Many of us honestly do not have an opportunity to attend these events or interpret the inner workings of our MEC; due to scheduling, family, or proximity constraints.

Hey, I'll be honest. I'm a sence fitter, if you get me. But, once I sat in on that roadshow the defensiveness and unsoundness in the negotiators voices proved to me that they got blown out of the fkin water and must've obtained some sort of stockholm syndrome during the negotiation process. It helped see that they are in way over their heads. The company could have done better.

And you're welcome Chris Mank. You d*********o****u****che

 

[701EV]

Hey, I'll be honest. I'm a sence fitter, if you get me. But, once I sat in on that roadshow the defensiveness and unsoundness in the negotiators voices proved to me that they got blown out of the fkin water and must've obtained some sort of stockholm syndrome during the negotiation process. It helped see that they are in way over their heads. The company could have done better.

And you're welcome Chris Mank. You d*********o****u****che

Clutch, just curios who do you see as being the next group to make up the MEC?

I wasn't thrilled with what I heard yesterday either!

I was a lifer but not any more. My logbook is almost up to date!

 

[skyman50]

How are you disappointed in someone who has nothing but giving FO's sht listed as negotiating experience?

The deer in headlights glare was simply worth going to the road show when Ed was raked for the obvious leniency towards nap duty rigs. He actually pretended that he never considered that it would affect him personally.

Well of course......Ed flies naps.....This whole thing is simple....Just vote NO!!!!

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Well of course......Ed flies naps.....This whole thing is simple....Just vote NO!!!!

Chris M negotiated about 97% of this TA! which is ironic he's so against it.

 

[FightingIrish]

Chris M negotiated about 97% of this TA! which is ironic he's so against it.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the irony here. Chris is also the main reason the 2 MECs didn't get along for most of the time.

 

[Clutch]

Chris M negotiated about 97% of this TA! which is ironic he's so against it.

Says who? The reps? Go back and look at your may 2012 nexus jnc update and see how much was completed at that time. I don't believe the reps

 

[skyman50]

Chris M negotiated about 97% of this TA! which is ironic he's so against it.

maybe this whole thing is a setup......Maybe the Union wants it voted down

 

[skyman50]

Says who? The reps? Go back and look at your may 2012 nexus jnc update and see how much was completed at that time. I don't believe the reps

I agree....anyway this whole contract is a joke...it has more holes than a block of swiss cheese.

 

[3GRNDWN]

Not all. Not anyone on the JNC. Not the company. Not the lifers. Not brad. But you and me? Yeah.

I think their argument would be, and was per one if the erj jnc dicks, is that if expressjet doesn't fly it Gojets will.

Gojets does not, and will not, have the staffing to fly all of those routes.

 

[Clutch]

maybe this whole thing is a setup......Maybe the Union wants it voted down

No. ED doesn't work that way. His ego would not allow that sort of philosophy. The ERJ reps were more condescending than management, so you know they are backing this pos...They all think this is as good as it gets, brah