Anyone been to an XJT roadshow yet?

[jetstream]

The five year term is what really bothers me. I might be ok with two years but definitely not five. When you add in the next negotiations, we could easily be locked into this thing for 10 years.

Things are changing too fast for us to make that kind of commitment.

 

[Clutch]

The five year term is what really bothers me. I might be ok with two years but definitely not five. When you add in the next negotiations, we could easily be locked into this thing for 10 years.

Things are changing too fast for us to make that kind of commitment.

Our negotiators were in WAY over their heads. We all thought Ed "the head" would fight but he bought all the BS from the company and F&H.

Their argument against anything less that 5 years is the industry will get worse or "they just don't know" where the industry will be.

In summation, they took the easiest way out of negotiating, which to them had become a war of attrition that F&H won.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

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[Mickey Mouse]

David Pincus is the Director of Labor Relations Research for F&H Solutions Group.
Dave assists and advises clients in different industries on their labor relations and personnel policies, with a primary focus on contract analysis and interpretation. In particular, he performs labor relations-related services for the management of numerous major, national, regional, charter, cargo and international airlines.
Dave reviews and analyzes hundreds of collective bargaining agreements to prepare comparative studies and advise clients on the competitiveness of contract proposal terms. He also analyzes market characteristics to identify a client?s comparable competitors. In addition, he prepares customized graphics and reports for negotiations, arbitrations, presentations, internal meetings and legal proceedings.
He costs out union and management contract proposals and conducts comparative studies of other companies? labor agreements, focusing on pay, work rules and benefit plans. Moreover, he determines the cost advantages and disadvantages of using provisions of a competitor?s collective bargaining agreement in place of a client?s current collective bargaining agreement or policies. Dave also serves as an expert witness on labor relations and collective bargaining agreement matters.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Dave takes your money and your work rules.

 

[Clutch]

David Pincus is the Director of Labor Relations Research for F&H Solutions Group.
Dave assists and advises clients in different industries on their labor relations and personnel policies, with a primary focus on contract analysis and interpretation. In particular, he performs labor relations-related services for the management of numerous major, national, regional, charter, cargo and international airlines.
Dave reviews and analyzes hundreds of collective bargaining agreements to prepare comparative studies and advise clients on the competitiveness of contract proposal terms. He also analyzes market characteristics to identify a client?s comparable competitors. In addition, he prepares customized graphics and reports for negotiations, arbitrations, presentations, internal meetings and legal proceedings.
He costs out union and management contract proposals and conducts comparative studies of other companies? labor agreements, focusing on pay, work rules and benefit plans. Moreover, he determines the cost advantages and disadvantages of using provisions of a competitor?s collective bargaining agreement in place of a client?s current collective bargaining agreement or policies. Dave also serves as an expert witness on labor relations and collective bargaining agreement matters.

Versus Ed Fortaw and Dan Utley.

Dan and Ed have been flying regional aircraft for 20 plus years. They have been in the regional industry their entire careers and captains and line holders nearly all of that time. Because of impeccable positioning and just plain ole fking luck, Dan and Ed have never worried about their QOL or job retention. When Dan and Ed aren't flying RJ's, they're busy studying negotiating tactics on wikipedia.

 

[Freebrd]

The five year term is what really bothers me.

Things are changing too fast for us to make that kind of commitment.

Bingo! And lousy 1 1/2 % raise every 18 months, and no raise on the big RJs unless we get more? WTF does that have to do with it! Hope someone at the Brad & Charly Show asked about why is a 60%+ raise (to 1.3 mil) ok for him but not even peanuts for us lowly pilots. :angryfire

 

[Freebrd]

Versus Ed Fortaw and Dan Utley.

Dan and Ed have been flying regional aircraft for 20 plus years. They have been in the regional industry their entire careers and captains and line holders nearly all of that time. Because of impeccable positioning and just plain ole fking luck, Dan and Ed have never worried about their QOL or job retention. When Dan and Ed aren't flying RJ's, they're busy studying negotiating tactics on wikipedia.

Utley just a union leach for the bucks, Ed I'm greatly disappointed in but then again, Newie is the biggest problem. TERM LIMITS!

 

[Clutch]

Utley just a union leach for the bucks, Ed I'm greatly disappointed in but then again, Newie is the biggest problem. TERM LIMITS!

How are you disappointed in someone who has nothing but giving FO's sht listed as negotiating experience?

The deer in headlights glare was simply worth going to the road show when Ed was raked for the obvious leniency towards nap duty rigs. He actually pretended that he never considered that it would affect him personally.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

How are you disappointed in someone who has nothing but giving FO's sht listed as negotiating experience?

The deer in headlights glare was simply worth going to the road show when Ed was raked for the obvious leniency towards nap duty rigs. He actually pretended that he never considered that it would affect him personally.

Clutch, your candid and honest transcription of these events is sincerely appreciated. Many of us honestly do not have an opportunity to attend these events or interpret the inner workings of our MEC; due to scheduling, family, or proximity constraints.