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Mickey Mouse said:
Clutch, your candid and honest transcription of these events is sincerely appreciated. Many of us honestly do not have an opportunity to attend these events or interpret the inner workings of our MEC; due to scheduling, family, or proximity constraints.
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Hey, I'll be honest. I'm a sence fitter, if you get me. But, once I sat in on that roadshow the defensiveness and unsoundness in the negotiators voices proved to me that they got blown out of the fkin water and must've obtained some sort of stockholm syndrome during the negotiation process. It helped see that they are in way over their heads. The company could have done better.

And you're welcome Chris Mank. You d*********o****u****che
 
Clutch said:
Hey, I'll be honest. I'm a sence fitter, if you get me. But, once I sat in on that roadshow the defensiveness and unsoundness in the negotiators voices proved to me that they got blown out of the fkin water and must've obtained some sort of stockholm syndrome during the negotiation process. It helped see that they are in way over their heads. The company could have done better.

And you're welcome Chris Mank. You d*********o****u****che
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Clutch, just curios who do you see as being the next group to make up the MEC?

I wasn't thrilled with what I heard yesterday either!

I was a lifer but not any more. My logbook is almost up to date!
 
Clutch said:
How are you disappointed in someone who has nothing but giving FO's sht listed as negotiating experience?

The deer in headlights glare was simply worth going to the road show when Ed was raked for the obvious leniency towards nap duty rigs. He actually pretended that he never considered that it would affect him personally.
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Well of course......Ed flies naps.....This whole thing is simple....Just vote NO!!!!
 
Clutch said:
Says who? The reps? Go back and look at your may 2012 nexus jnc update and see how much was completed at that time. I don't believe the reps
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I agree....anyway this whole contract is a joke...it has more holes than a block of swiss cheese.
 
Clutch said:
Not all. Not anyone on the JNC. Not the company. Not the lifers. Not brad. But you and me? Yeah.

I think their argument would be, and was per one if the erj jnc dicks, is that if expressjet doesn't fly it Gojets will.
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Gojets does not, and will not, have the staffing to fly all of those routes.
 
skyman50 said:
maybe this whole thing is a setup......Maybe the Union wants it voted down
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No. ED doesn't work that way. His ego would not allow that sort of philosophy. The ERJ reps were more condescending than management, so you know they are backing this pos...They all think this is as good as it gets, brah
 
Given my experience with many of the folks at ASA, I'm really surprised the roadshow attendees put up with the ERJ attitudes. If I were there, I'd have stood up and told them to GTFO. It should have been a serious debate about the facts contained in the documentation of the T/A, not the peanut gallery.

My experience with DU is that he is a statesman and a true gentleman. He's always been candid, honest, and a realist. I have a hard time believing that the issues ahead are directly related to either Ed or Danny. Frankly, I think the pilots get their money's worth out of Danny.
 
I agree about Danny. I have known him for a decade and have swung his gear on many a months. I do not know Ed to save my life. Our paths have never crossed. I do know of his reputation. As a captain of almost a decade here' I can say that there are 2 schools of thought on captainism. One is be a camileon and let FO's just be their quirky selves, or rule with a iron fist. For the most part, I fly by the first method. From what I hear, Ed has chosen the later. But whatever. This has to do with the contract.

I am in an unfamiliar place. I find myself more distrustful of my ALPA leadership than I do of our company leadership. I really don't know all the juicy details about our conflicts between XJT and ASA MEC's. I find it odd that Mank was removed and hushed. I find it odd that there was zero polling of the groups. I find it odd there was zero pressure applied to the company. I find it odd there are rumors of ASA negotiator having an affair with XJT attorney. I find it odd that our ATL status rep added management to the pilot only Facebook TA discussion page, twice. I find it odd that there are rumors that those on the negotiating committee have been promised mainline jobs. I am most unimpressed by the XJT MEC chairman.

I am as sick as the everyone to be done with negotiations. But this whole thing smells fishy. I have to admit, though, that I am hesitant to vote no, based on the fact there is no plan B. And I admit, that if am not a volunteer for this work. That leaves me firmly between a rock and a hard place.

I do feel that the XJT guys need to wake up. Their outliers need to go. Nobody else has them. Yes,I know you had them for a while, but you also worked under the concept of a contract with an amendable date. This industry works under pattern bargaining. You simply can no longer keep your B fund, disability, or line bidding. Be thankful for what you got, and let it go. We probably needed to let go our vacation low. But we should have dumped rigs on Naps first. I am not happy about the association leave at 6 hrs, but we pay that out of dues, not the company. We actually pay 125% to the company, so cutting it is actually a cost to the company.
 
ASApuppy said:
I agree about Danny. I have known him for a decade and have swung his gear on many a months. I do not know Ed to save my life. Our paths have never crossed. I do know of his reputation. As a captain of almost a decade here' I can say that there are 2 schools of thought on captainism. One is be a camileon and let FO's just be their quirky selves, or rule with a iron fist. For the most part, I fly by the first method. From what I hear, Ed has chosen the later. But whatever. This has to do with the contract.

I am in an unfamiliar place. I find myself more distrustful of my ALPA leadership than I do of our company leadership. I really don't know all the juicy details about our conflicts between XJT and ASA MEC's. I find it odd that Mank was removed and hushed. I find it odd that there was zero polling of the groups. I find it odd there was zero pressure applied to the company. I find it odd there are rumors of ASA negotiator having an affair with XJT attorney. I find it odd that our ATL status rep added management to the pilot only Facebook TA discussion page, twice. I find it odd that there are rumors that those on the negotiating committee have been promised mainline jobs. I am most unimpressed by the XJT MEC chairman.

I am as sick as the everyone to be done with negotiations. But this whole thing smells fishy. I have to admit, though, that I am hesitant to vote no, based on the fact there is no plan B. And I admit, that if am not a volunteer for this work. That leaves me firmly between a rock and a hard place.

I do feel that the XJT guys need to wake up. Their outliers need to go. Nobody else has them. Yes,I know you had them for a while, but you also worked under the concept of a contract with an amendable date. This industry works under pattern bargaining. You simply can no longer keep your B fund, disability, or line bidding. Be thankful for what you got, and let it go. We probably needed to let go our vacation low. But we should have dumped rigs on Naps first. I am not happy about the association leave at 6 hrs, but we pay that out of dues, not the company. We actually pay 125% to the company, so cutting it is actually a cost to the company.
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Just say you are a "YES" voter and move on !!

Thank God most of the CRJ guys I have talked to are nothing like you.
 
Umm... You're a Captain. You're gonna let your FO rule with an iron fist? At that point you're not really the captain are you???? Sack up...
 
Clutch said:
Says who? The reps? Go back and look at your may 2012 nexus jnc update and see how much was completed at that time. I don't believe the reps
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Most of those sections were complete but a few open items. Ask any rep, ask Chris himself. Be hard to deny. Kinda funny the very guy he had kicked out, ended up winning the FO rep position and kicked him out. The old adage "What comes around...." Better yet, what is Chris M's total time flying the line at ASA? Just curious.
 
All the emotional/personal bull******************** on the forums and Facebook tell me one thing:

Pilots is skeeeerd. You can pick out the 'YES' voters a mile away.

Full pay 'til the last day!
 

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