anybody have swa payscale??????????

[N1WH]

Does anybody have the swa payscale or know where I can get that info? Along with the benefits package.
I am trying to decide whether or not to go to swa. I am currently in my 5th year at netjets which is a great company. We have over 1700 pilots now and i am around 300 in seniority. I work 7 on and 7 off schedule. Our pay will be going up substantially with our next contract. Which may be done in the next 6 months hopefully. I dont have to commute either. We have alot of pilot bases! Those are really the perks of the company. Any thoughts will be appreciated.

I am number 100 on the swa pool. Decisions, Decisions!!!

 

[Lonestar]

Man, sounds like you have it pretty good at Netjets...I wouldn't bother going to SWA. You have a great schedule and good pay and seniority...why give that up?

Do a search on the subject of pay and benefits on this board. There is plenty of info.


Disclaimer: This advice is coming from someone below you in the pool.

 

[looseca]

Dude, I would definitely stay at NetJets. Seriously. No Kidding.

Salute!

------------------> Pool bottom feeder.

 

[Ty Webb]

Our pay will be going up substantially with our next contract. Which may be done in the next 6 months hopefully.

First of all, I have to laugh a little- two years ago, when I was thinking about going to EJA (had an interview scheduled, never went) everyone was saying "just wait until our next contract!". Thank God I didn't go, I'd still be waiting!

If you don't absolutely want to go to SWA, then don't. Sounds like you've got it pretty good- let someone else who really, absolutely wants it to go. If you are so senior there, how are you going to feel about starting over, sitting reserve, being an FO for 5 years or more?

FOr me, it would be a no-brainer, I'd be at SWA, but that is me. I grew very tired of waiting around on CEO types, and I enjoy knowing where I am going all month, don;t miss the uncontrolled airports, dumping lavs and hanging out in FBO's, but you may hate commuting, sitting reserve, and shooting the same ILS's to the same airports ad nauseum.

Sounds like you;re in a pretty enviable position; whichever you decide, hope you are happy.
Whichever you do, good luck.

 

[chase]

To get an hourly rate multiply the dollar amount by 1.135 (I believe that is the number, anyone out there who can remember the number pls update me, thanks)

Seat Eff Date Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4
CA_ 9/1/2002_ 118.02_ 119.46_ 120.91_ 122.35_
CA_ 9/1/2003_ 122.74_ 124.24_ 125.75_ 127.24_
CA_ 9/1/2004_ 139.45_ 141.15_ 142.87_ 144.56_
CA_ 9/1/2005_ 144.33_ 146.09_ 147.87_ 149.62_
CA_ 8/31/2006_ 153.01_ 154.88_ 156.76_ 158.62_

FO_ 9/1/2002_ 35.40_ 59.73_ 66.50_ 73.42_
FO_ 9/1/2003_ 36.82_ 62.12_ 69.16_ 76.36_
FO_ 9/1/2004_ 41.83_ 70.58_ 78.57_ 86.75_
FO_ 9/1/2005_ 43.30_ 73.05_ 81.32_ 89.79_
FO_ 8/31/2006_ 45.90_ 77.44_ 86.21_ 95.19_

Seat Eff Date Year 5 Year 6 Year 7 Year 8
CA_ 9/1/2002_ 123.71_ 125.26_ 126.69_ 128.14_
CA_ 9/1/2003_ 128.66_ 130.27_ 131.76_ 133.27_
CA_ 9/1/2004_ 146.17_ 148.00_ 149.70_ 151.41_
CA_ 9/1/2005_ 151.29_ 153.18_ 154.94_ 156.71_
CA_ 8/31/2006_ 160.39_ 162.39_ 164.26_ 166.13_


FO_ 9/1/2002_ 80.41_ 82.67_ 83.62_ 84.57_
FO_ 9/1/2003_ 83.63_ 85.98_ 86.96_ 87.95_
FO_ 9/1/2004_ 95.01_ 97.68_ 98.80_ 99.92_
FO_ 9/1/2005_ 98.34_ 101.10_ 102.26_ 103.42_
FO_ 8/31/2006_ 104.25_ 107.18_ 108.41_ 109.64_

Seat Eff Date Year 9 Year 10 Year 11 Year 12
CA_ 9/1/2002_ 129.59_ 131.02_ 132.48_ 133.92_
CA_ 9/1/2003_ 134.77_ 136.26_ 137.78_ 139.28_
CA_ 9/1/2004_ 153.12_ 154.81_ 156.54_ 158.24_
CA_ 9/1/2005_ 158.48_ 160.23_ 162.01_ 163.78_
CA_ 8/31/2006_ 168.01_ 169.87_ 171.75_ 173.63
_
FO_ 9/1/2002_ 85.53_ 86.48_ 87.44_ 88.38_
FO_ 9/1/2003_ 88.95_ 89.94_ 90.94_ 91.92_
FO_ 9/1/2004_ 101.06_ 102.18_ 103.32_ 104.43_
FO_ 9/1/2005_ 104.60_ 105.76_ 106.94_ 108.09_
FO_ 8/31/2006_ 110.89_ 112.12_ 113.37_ 114.59_


Benefit packages are tougher to compare. There is a lot of history on the site that explains some of it. I can forward a contract to you if you'd like. Just PM with e-mail. I'll try to get to everyone I can, it may take awhile.

 

[N1WH]

thanks for the payscale info!!!!!!!!!! And the comments . After I read my post I think I made it sound a little too good. Why would I leave???? Knowing where and when I will be flying is a plus and having more earning potential in the long run is a definite plus. Being gone 7 days in a row is tough as well which is what I do now. I think I will enjoy being home every 4 days or so. There are definite pluses to no commuting too so looks like chicago here I come. SWA is a great company though and I look forward to starting a long career with them!!!!!! Corporate flying is great but netjets is a little different then corporate. And I may be waiting even longer for our contract to get done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I look forward to meeting some of you at swa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rhonandpt]

fedexanyone

how do the SWA rates above compare to FEDEX? does anyone have those rates so we can compare in close proximity?

thanks...ray

 

[N1atEcon]

hey

To N1atWH. I was senior to you at EJA by a bit. I can tell you that after 4 years at EJA the only thing i miss is Rudy's lasagna. Now, granted EJA/NJA is a great job, don't get me wrong. But for me, I felt more at home at SWA in 2 days then i ever did at EJA. For example did you ever have to fight with granny about something on your expense report or did you ever have to deal with that bitch Charlie Salsbury or how about Richard in training? People like that wouldn't last a day at SWA. Why??? Because they enjoy having power over others and they exploit it to satisfy their egos. The becoming part of the SWA family stories you have heard are all true. I have not regreted my choice since day one here. Send me an Email and I will send you my #. Maybe it will help you with any reservations you may have.

P.S. Cost of type rating in a B737 $7300.00. Never getting woke up by scheduling at 1:30 am to do a TEB to SFO pop up priceless.

 

[F18-FDX]

rhonandpt ,

Here's the FedEx payscale which, by the way WILL significantly increase in 2004, but that's another discussion. I think xXpress1 is right on target, at least in my case. I chose FedEx over 2 pax majors and have no desire to be anywhere else. SWA is a fantastic company and no offense, but you guys work way too hard, I'll take my 1 leg and retirement. Anyway, there's plenty of that on the FedEx vs SWA thread.


a. Wide Body Rates of Pay
MD-11, DC-10, A-300/310
Year Group CAP F/O S/O
1 $ 161.96 $ 49.23 $ 47.49
2 179.94 111.69 71.83
3 180.31 111.85 84.78
4 181.03 114.08 95.96
5 181.75 116.37 98.36
6 182.48 118.69 100.82
7 183.21 121.07 103.34
8 183.94 123.48 105.92
9 184.67 125.95 108.57
10 186.80 129.48 111.82
11 188.94 133.11 115.18
12 191.12 136.83 118.64
13 192.56 137.52 118.94
14 194.48 138.21 119.23
15 196.42 139.24 119.53


b. Narrow Body Rates of Pay
B-727
Year Group CAP F/O S/O
1 $ 137.30 $ 47.49 $ 47.49
2 152.58 91.55 60.91
3 153.35 95.27 72.06
4 154.19 97.36 81.97
5 155.04 99.50 84.02
6 155.89 101.69 86.13
7 156.74 103.92 88.28
8 157.62 106.21 90.49
9 158.48 108.55 92.75
10 160.29 112.45 96.45
11 162.15 116.51 100.32
12 164.00 120.70 104.33
13 165.65 121.30 104.59
14 167.30 121.90 104.85
15 169.31 122.52 105.11

4. Date of Implementation Plus 54 Months
On the first day of the December, 2003, bid period,
the following rates shall apply.
a. Wide Body Rates of Pay
MD-11, DC-10, A-300/310
Year Group CAP F/O S/O
1 $ 170.06 $ 51.69 $ 49.86
2 188.94 117.28 75.42
3 189.32 117.44 89.02
4 190.08 119.79 100.76
5 190.83 122.19 103.28
6 191.60 124.63 105.86
7 192.37 127.12 108.50
8 193.14 129.66 111.22
9 193.90 132.25 114.00
10 196.14 135.95 117.41
11 198.39 139.76 120.94
12 200.68 143.67 124.57
13 202.18 144.40 124.89
14 204.20 145.12 125.19
15 206.24 146.21 125.50




b. Narrow Body Rates of Pay
B-727
Year Group CAP F/O S/O
1 $ 144.16 $ 49.86 $ 49.86
2 160.20 96.12 63.96
3 161.01 100.03 75.67
4 161.90 102.22 86.07
5 162.80 104.47 88.23
6 163.69 106.78 90.43
7 164.58 109.12 92.69
8 165.50 111.52 95.01
9 166.40 113.97 97.38
10 168.31 118.07 101.28
11 170.25 122.34 105.34
12 172.20 126.74 109.54
13 173.93 127.37 109.82
14 175.67 128.00 110.09
15 177.78 128.64 110.37

 

[chase]

Good article

From Dallas Morning News 18 Nov. Rather revealing what a large hurdle the other pax carriers have in overcoming their excessive costs compared to SWA.

Airlines' budgets 'broken'
Southwest's costs are lower in virtually every area, study shows

11/18/2002

By ERIC TORBENSON / The Dallas Morning News

The nation's major carriers would have to slash a total of $24.5 billion a year from their budgets if they want to match Southwest Airlines Inc.'s low costs, according to a study to be released Monday.

The figure represents the difference between what nine majors – including TWA, now part of American Airlines Inc.– spent in the 12 months ending June 30 vs. what they would have spent if they had Southwest's costs.

"Everything is broken," the study said of the major airlines' costs. "Everything must be fixed."

The study comes from the former Robert, Roach & Associates, longtime aviation consultants who recently joined Unisys to study airline economics.

Now called R2A, the group publishes a monthly "scorecard" on the industry.

The prospects for Southwest's competitors aren't good, the authors said, because their costs are higher than the Dallas-based carrier's in virtually every area.

The study comes as the industry continues to struggle with cost cutting. On Sunday, United Airlines Inc. said it would cut 9,000 more jobs. On Friday, Delta Air Lines Inc. announced that it would trim $2.5 billion from its annual costs by 2005.

At AMR Corp., parent company of Fort Worth-based American Airlines, chief executive Donald Carty wants to trim $3 billion to $4 billion every year and has found $2 billion in cuts so far.

The R2A study suggests that Mr. Carty should keep chopping. American spent $5.3 billion more than Southwest would have for the same flights in the year studied and can only cut that much by reducing employee wages.

"Any serious effort to close the overall cost gaps between Southwest and the other majors requires significant reductions in unit labor costs," the study said.

Mr. Carty has said such cuts may be inevitable, but he hasn't asked for union concessions.

The study came to its conclusions this way:

It started by comparing Southwest's unit costs – what it spends to fly one seat one mile, about 7.6 cents – to what other large carriers spent. American, for example, spent about 11.5 cents per unit.

The researchers adjusted those figures by the average distance flown by each carrier's flights. That creates the truest comparison between airlines, the study asserts. Some of the findings:

• Southwest's average flight travels 504 miles, far shorter than major carriers such as American, whose average flight – at 1,016 miles – is the longest of the major carriers. Longer flights allow carriers to spread costs over more air miles. By projecting Southwest's cost savings over longer flights, the cost gap grows considerably.

• One of the biggest differences between Southwest and its competitors remains labor costs. If the nine majors could have operated at Southwest's labor costs, they would collectively have saved $8.2 billion from July 2000 through June 2001, the study said.

"That's more than enough to turn things around," the study said.

United, struggling to avoid bankruptcy, had labor costs 68 percent higher than Southwest's during the year studied. American's were 51 percent higher, and only America West Airlines – considered to be a low-cost carrier by most industry experts – had lower overall labor costs than Southwest.

• Of those higher labor costs, pilot pay made up the biggest share. Southwest's competitors paid their pilots a total of $3.3 billion more a year as a group than if they flew at Southwest rates.

The study's authors conclude that Southwest works its pilots harder and more efficiently than its competitors. An average Southwest pilot flies nearly 800 hours a year; a United pilot works about half that.

The study has some caveats.

Southwest is a different kind of airline than American and other "hub-and-spoke" carriers. It flies only domestically and from point-to-point and doesn't have to finance expensive hubs. Southwest also lacks the frills of other carriers, such as movies and in-flight meals, also a substantial cost saver.

American, while it wants to lower its costs, does not intend to change how it flies to match Southwest.

Southwest flies only one aircraft type, and major carriers fly wide-bodied planes internationally, flights where pilots make the most money.

The year the data was gathered ended before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. That event was the catalyst for big carriers to start their cost-cutting drives.

Some carriers such as Delta and Continental Airlines Inc. have seen their costs drop since the terrorist attacks, the report says. Southwest's costs also have dropped slightly. Others, such as bankrupt US Airways, saw their costs rise.

Of growing concern for American and its network brethren: more low-cost competitors such as JetBlue Airways and AirTran Airways.

Together with Southwest, the low-cost airlines made up about 22 percent of total seat miles flown domestically in October.

Delta, in a Friday presentation to investors, projects that total to rise to as much as 40 percent and is launching its own low-cost airline to compete.