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Any SWA or Airtran pilots see recent SLI at Mesaba/Colgan/Pinnacle?

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GP,
Just like us when we bought Morris Air...not everyone would've been qualified to step foot on property if their airline wasn't acquired. We also hired several pilots whose fathers were someone back in the day. Nepotism at it's best, but they met the hiring requirements.

I'll tell you the truth, I'm worried about my career progression at SWA. I see people who couldn't get hired here, or didn't through interview, possibly move ahead of me. I specifically know one AT Capt who was such a tool in the military, he was black-balled by all his former squadron bros...he's four years junior DOH to me! Two years ago AT was begging for someone to acquire them? Today they're the greatest thing since sliced bread! Couple of questions which I would like someone to honestly answer from AT:
- If things were so great, why did you vote 97% to strike?
- Why do you honestly think SWA quit hiring and growing several years
ago? I want you to really look at the big picture on this one.
- If AT was so profitable, why is the $1.4B purchasing price going to cost us
$3.4B? (This came from managements mouth when I was in training. Stated
we were mainly buying slots and "ATs debt" because they don't own hardly
anything. Found this interesting.)
- Why does SWA not fly this very near "International Flying" AT does? (It has
nothing to do with our aircrews or aircraft spontaneously combusting once
borders are crossed!)
- Do any of you really fear you may end up working for GH with a fence? Not
flame baiting...just wondering. (Same management said the "head shed" was
very aware of what would happen, in regards to it's culture, if current
employees were handed the proverbial sh!t sandwich.)
- What exactly are the gains you see for current SWA employees? (Promise of
growth doesn't count until it actually happens, loss of profit sharing since there
will be $2.0B of debt to pay off, quicker upgrades...see promise of growth,
international flying (only if it's real international flying and not island
hopping/Mexico...then AT can keep it!))

I would like an honest answer from an AT employee...bitter, flame-baiting DAL
trolls excluded! Look at it from the SWA pilots position...our gains are only promises from management, and everyone in this industry knows how much you can count on promises. We're not afforded a tremendous bump in pay, better QOL, better benefits or working for a profitable company where the pilots were never so disenchanted they voted to burn down the house! I would like a non-ALPA generated answer of how SWA pilots are going to benefit from this acquisition (managements words...told they don't consider this a merger either)?

D
 
Dolce,

As you know........ they can't answer you because it would be admitting what they are getting just like we can't answer because it would sound arrogant.

It's a no-win bro!

Gup
 
An arbitrator doesn't care how hard the interview process is at any airline. You did not approve or disapprove this merger, GK and his investment people did. Only a person outside this mess can truly figure out what is "fair" for an SLI, and you know that. An arbitrator may find the Airtran group a "smarter group", primarily because they may end up ahead of you in seniority at the end of their careers at Southwest, all WITHOUT having to pay for a 737 type, which might factor in to an award decision. And remember, losing the "war" means you lose too, and that could be bad for all of your careers. Just take it like a man, who just ate a sweaty burrito in ELP.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You sound like a broken record.
 
Dolce,

As you know........ they can't answer you because it would be admitting what they are getting just like we can't answer because it would sound arrogant.

It's a no-win bro!

Gup


Do you think that by asking the same questions over and over again that have been answered over and over will yield different results? Feel free to ask if it makes you and Francis Gary Powers happy, I think it's the text book definition of insanity.
 
Gup,

Venting is cathartic at times...you see the same crap being generated by the same people. Funny thing, I caught same management guy in hall during our break. Asked him about some of the stuff being posted. Can't do anything about SWA guys, but they have had others take interest forward it to certain people. Anonymous forums ain't so anonymous anymore. Friends span airlines and if you're a tool, there'll be plenty to roll over on your azz in a heartbeat! Whether you're a moderator, pilot out on medical or ex-ALPA committee member...they probably know what you're saying. Kinda sucks to "not fly under the radar" and repeatedly lash out and "bite the hand" which may potentially feed you!

D
 
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I specifically know one AT Capt who was such a tool in the military, he was black-balled by all his former squadron bros...he's four years junior DOH to me!



Did you really think that your airline would never buy or be bought ?

I'm sure your old job provided an incredible perspective on the world. It might be time to start using it.
 
Gup,

Venting is cathartic at times...you see the same crap being generated by the same people. Funny thing, I caught same management guy in hall during our break. Asked him about some of the stuff being posted. Can't do anything about SWA guys, but they have had others take interest forward it to certain people. Anonymous forums ain't so anonymous anymore. Friends span airlines and if you're a tool, there'll be plenty to roll over on your azz in a heartbeat! Whether you're a moderator, pilot out on medical or ex-ALPA committee member...they probably know what you're saying. Kinda sucks to "not fly under the radar" and repeatedly lash out and "bite the hand" which may potentially feed you!

D

There has been a lot of lashing out at SWAPA and the clowns that post here (as there has been towards ATN ALPA and our members), however, I don't recall anything negative or derogetory (sp) towards SWA or the Mgmt. (the real "hand") that may potentially feed us. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
You sound like a broken record.

Some people have to read it a few times to understand reality. You can try to refute it, if you want.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Gup,

Venting is cathartic at times...you see the same crap being generated by the same people. Funny thing, I caught same management guy in hall during our break. Asked him about some of the stuff being posted. Can't do anything about SWA guys, but they have had others take interest forward it to certain people. Anonymous forums ain't so anonymous anymore. Friends span airlines and if you're a tool, there'll be plenty to roll over on your azz in a heartbeat! Whether you're a moderator, pilot out on medical or ex-ALPA committee member...they probably know what you're saying. Kinda sucks to "not fly under the radar" and repeatedly lash out and "bite the hand" which may potentially feed you!

D

Different approach but still the same threats. I liked it, subtle, and it shows a little bit more intelligence than some of the others. You must be a Full Bird Kernal.
 
Kharma,

No threat. If your pilot group as a whole is like the 3% on this board I hope you push HARD for arbitration.

Gup
 

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