Any SWA or Airtran pilots see recent SLI at Mesaba/Colgan/Pinnacle?

[XRMEFLYER]

Exactly. Do you really think the process agreement would be written that way literally?

You guys are amazingly naive, not to mention completely uneducated as to the symbiosis that exists between SWA mgmt and the pilot group. GK will extend cordiality to you all if you play nice, but don't think for a second he won't give you alternate employment options if you get uppity, as we are hearing you are. Why would he treat a self-entitled AAI pilot any differently than he would an self-entitled interviewee?

"...if u get uppity"

What exactly do you mean by that sir? Please expand upon what it is that would constitute us getting "uppity" so that we can be sure and avoid it.

 

[greenpilot]

You guys keep saying that if this goes to arbitration that aii pilots will not be merged and AirTran will go the way of transtar. What happens if the mc comes up with a negotiated list and the AirTran pilots vote it in, but the swa pilots vote no.
Now it goes to arbitration and swa pilots don't like the SLI. What do you think GK will do then?

 

[Tripower455]

You guys keep saying that if this goes to arbitration that aii pilots will not be merged and AirTran will go the way of transtar. What happens if the mc comes up with a negotiated list and the AirTran pilots vote it in, but the swa pilots vote no.
Now it goes to arbitration and swa pilots don't like the SLI. What do you think GK will do then?

Well, in order to avoid an "East/West" situation, he'll obviously offer "alternative employment options" to the SWA guys!

 

[MILF Hunter]

From Lear70-

You're not reading it in its ENTIRETY. Here it is in its ENTIRETY so you can understand the full context in how the Process Agreement can be canceled (it can't now unless ALL FOUR PARTIES agree to cancel it):

Quote:
VII (b) Any party may terminate this agreement by fifteen (15) days written advance notice delivered to all parties at any time FOLLOWING THE TERMINATION OF THE MERGER AGREEMENT.



Lear, hopefully you aren't interpretting this Section VII as requiring all four parties to agree to terminate! Please tell me you understand the difference between 4-party consent and one party submitting written notification to the other 3 parties. Hopefully y'all are getting more expertise than this from CryBaby Katz!

Now, I'm not an attorney. But when I read a statement that says "Any party may terminate...by written advanced notice delivered to all parties...", I'm pretty sure it means whay it says.

 

[Daddy]

You guys keep saying that if this goes to arbitration that aii pilots will not be merged and AirTran will go the way of transtar. What happens if the mc comes up with a negotiated list and the AirTran pilots vote it in, but the swa pilots vote no.
Now it goes to arbitration and swa pilots don't like the SLI. What do you think GK will do then?

I think a negotiated deal is about the only way the airtran guys get integrated. Gary might be the most conservative CEO in the fortune 500 and he has a LOT riding on this. He will do absolutely anything to avoid a poisonous USAir type situation as airtran will not be the only SWA acquisition in the cards. If the SLI goes to arbitration and goes bad and an employee revolt appears likely at SWA, he will do ANYTHING to avoid that scenario. Operating airtran separately and drawing it down is the only real option at that point. This would be the nuclear scenario and I do not expect it to happen, but it CAN happen if there is not a deal made. It sounds like the airtran NC is seeing this, judging from their latest correspondence...I am cautiously optimistic at this point.

 

[MILF Hunter]

Not a good idea to have very unhappy employees all in one area. Especially in a service industry that strives for on time performance and gas prices are important. Not good to divide and conquer. Sounds like you might be the next USair.

OYS

Not to worry OYS, as I'm sure you understand as well as any of us that when we're a new probabtion pilot, we keep our heads down and do our job as good as we can.

And before PCL comes on to say RLA prohibits this, allow me to disagree. I know of nothing that says issues like longevity and probabtion are automatically transferred.

 

[redflyer65]

The merger agreement was completed without termination, so it would revert back to four party cancellation...or a three party cancellation at this point. I did some digging into the SW SEC reports. A difficult but interesting read about how the two seperate LLC's were placed between AAI and SW.

From the attitudes that I'm hearing, it seems like it might play out like this.. The AAI NC will realize that a bird in the hand is worth possibly nothing and attempt to get a favorable vote from the membership. The big question will be how many 'I'll keep my seat' or 'I need my upgrade' pilots will sink the vote...versus those that will be truely happy to accept some concessions but to be on the final list quickly.

I envision the Airtran pilot vote being the most pivotal point. Take it to arbitration and gamble that the outcome (ISL) may never be fully implemented.

 

[redflyer65]

. Operating airtran separately and drawing it down is the only real option at that point. This would be the nuclear scenario and I do not expect it to happen, but it CAN happen if there is not a deal made. It sounds like the airtran NC is seeing this.

I agree 100%. It really would be a nuclear option, and I think most of us would agree to that. And I'm sure not the road that Gary really wants to go down, but it's setup this way for a reason. He is a very conservative CEO who will protect 40yrs of history if push comes to shove. I wouldn't want to be in the line of fire.

 

[texman]

What? You might hope this is the case, but there is a lot of money riding on this. GK wants this, along with Wall St. He probably doesn't want another USAir situation. But honestly, these recent arbitration awards are very telling on what might happen next time. Godspeed to you.



OYS

Thanks for the response to my post earlier. Monwy, yes a lot. But the shareholders voted to furlough in 08. Swa spent 70 mil not to. So money can be spent to save the culture of this airline.

 

[Cometman]

I am an outsider but have been reading posts from both sides. If you believe Lear70 as mister know it all then here is what I take from it:

1. If Airtran accepts what SWA offers and there is a settled SLI then Airtran and ALPA will sit down with SWA and SWAPA and work out the items for the transition. It sounds like there are a lot of benefits to be able to be involved with those items.

2. If it goes to arbitration and it is not good for SWA then SWA and SWAPA will decide on those items for the transition. Unless SWA decides it would not be worth it and keeps them separate.

I guess it is a gamble for Airtran. Good luck. As far as SWAPA it doesn't look like they have a choice. Why settle for less during the negotiation, let it go to arbitration where at least you can decide what happens to the items for the transition. And besides, you have the chance that SWA will not combine the operation.

On the other hand if SWAP accepts something less than what they want or something they would be happy with during SLI negotiations they will also give Airtran and ALPA a voice in the transition items. That would be a double slap in the face.

I would recommend that SWAPA either settle for what they want or let it go to arbitration. Don't give Airtran both a good settlement and a say in the transition items.