Any SWA or Airtran pilots see recent SLI at Mesaba/Colgan/Pinnacle?

[GoodTimes]

Ty,

You equate people who post on a rumor board to the Taliban? Really? Whatever works dude.

 

[texman]

Thanks for the response to my post earlier. Monwy, yes a lot. But the shareholders voted to furlough in 08. Swa spent 70 mil not to. So money can be spent to save the culture of this airline.

Not furlough, is what I ment to say.

 

[texman]

I luv the fact this is out of are hands. One luv baby!

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty,

You equate people who post on a rumor board to the Taliban? Really? Whatever works dude.

Read the last sentence of my response:

" People who stoop to those tactics are the ones I equate to the Taliban. Certainly not all, but a vocal minority".

 

[XRMEFLYER]

I mean exactly what has been posted by some here, namely self-entitlement and far greater expectations in SLI than what is reasonable, followed by cocksure statements and denigrations of SWA pilots and culture. I also mean grandiose demands made both to SWA's m&a committe and SWA management itself, both of which have and are happening already.

Ok I'll play along. Maybe I've been too busy just doing my job lately and missed something but what sort of "grandiose demands" have been made of your management and/or M&A committee from us?
Also please clarify what constitutes an unreasonable expectation on our part with regard to SLI outcome.
I agree that the cocksure statements and denigrations are not helpful. I would point out though that there is plenty of that kind of thing coming from your side of the aisle as well. So we are left with the chicken or the egg question on that one.

Be that as it may, what a few hotheads, and I admit to being that at times, may have to say here will have very little impact in the outcome of this one. Too much is at stake for all 40,000+ of us.
Happy Fathers Day all!
Gtg fly

 

[ivauir]

nevermind

 

[RLAblows]

Well, in order to avoid an "East/West" situation, he'll obviously offer "alternative employment options" to the SWA guys!

OK, that's good stuff. Nobody else found that funny? Thanks for the laugh

 

[General Lee]

I think GK wants Atlanta. And slots on the east coast. He's not in a hurry to bring what some may see as a lot of malcontented unappreciative employees into his fold. I'm sure he knew that AAI was ready to strike before his acquisition decision. So he risks what has always been considered SWA's greatest asset it's culture, in bringing on these employees. But he can't just refuse to bring them over without a rational argument. So he lets this thing go to arbitration, as per the process agreement. Which no one likes. Then to avoid a America West-USAIR debacle, he decides to operate Air Tran separately. Or do something drastic with them. The problem here is GK has Mr. Kelleher, and Ms Barrett looking over his shoulder. Two people who hold no real power but retain a lot of influence, and helped build the company GK runs. I think SWA really does value it's culture. Mr. Kelleher's actions relative to Muse Air are legend. Now Mr. Kelly has to establish himself. He sort of started that with Frontier. Everyone seems to think after the SLI, the battle is over. In fact it may just be starting. One may win the battle and lose the war. GK may feel the need to set a precedent for any future airline it purchases, and Air Tran may be the vehicle it uses to do so. For Air Tran this is gonna be tricky. How much to push for without incurring the wrath of GK. Push to little and possibly give up some seniority. Push to much and possibly lose everything. This is gonna be interesting.

I love how you characterize the Airtran group as "malcontented and unaprreciated." How about fair is fair? You sound "spoiled and ignorant" when it comes to mergers. Merger seniority integration happens in a lot of different businesses, not just airlines. It happens everyday. Wake up and stop sounding so cocky. Go to an arbitrator, and he/she will figure out what is FAIR. If you are scared of that, then continue to characterize your future brothers/sisters that way. Really. Look at it this way. You think you and your group are the "favorite sons" of you dad, but he just got remarried and the new group are his new kids with his new wife. Time to welcome them to the family.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[madjack]

this thread was started by a Delta guy who is merely fanning the flames and sitting back and enjoying the infighting...no point in feeding a troll...

 

[PCL_128]

Yes it is. Talk to your Merger Committee.

ivauir, I think you know that I talk to our MC constantly. Simply put, your interpretations and the interpretations of other SWA pilots here are flat out wrong.

It seems the ATN Merger Committee is starting to 'see the light' with respect to the inherent risks in arbitration.

Don't read things into the update that aren't really there. It's nothing more than a "just the facts" document that explains the risks of arbitration. I'm glad the committee is putting the facts out there.

And another thing PCL, despite this thinking, I do believe Nicolau was hired again for other SLI cases.

Mr. Nicolau is semi-retired right now, only taking a few cases for UAL here and there. He hasn't done an SLI case since the USAir/AWA case.

Guadaloupe holdings was created for a reason..............

You do realize that Guadaloupe Holdings doesn't exist anymore, right? It existed for about 30 seconds on paper as the next few pieces of paper were signed that merged it into AirTran Holdings with AirTran Airways being the surviving subsidiary of Southwest Airlines. Several transactions took place almost simultaneously on the corporate closing date.

15 days notice is all that is required by any party to walk away from it.

Wrong. Read it closer, red. Try reading for comprehension this time.

On the otherside, we have AAI ALPA falling apart and appearantly still owing ALPA national several million.

You really don't know what you're talking about. ALPA finances are pretty complicated, so I won't try explaining it to you in a message board post, but suffice it to say that the AirTran pilots won't be owing anyone anything when we leave ALPA.