Any corporate guys still flying analogs?

[aa73]

Just curious folks -

I used to "seat sub" in a Citation II at Simuflite back in 1997. As I recall, there was absolutely no EFIS, it was all analog. Are there still flight crews flying these type of aircraft in the US, or has everyone transitioned to EFIS?

And if it is EFIS, is it mostly just 4-tube ADI/HSI, or all that fancy "moving map" Space Shuttle glass from left to right?

Sorry, my airline-archaic mind is quite behind the times. (7 years on the Md80, just now transitioning to757/767 and impressed with the 1980s cockpit - 4-tube EFIS with 2 tube EICAS. I am so lame.)

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[400A]

There are still plenty of analog rides still out there.

As far as the new stuff, even the new Bonanza and Barron's make the Space Shuttle look under equipped.

Most new production has all of your charts and maps in the MFD's, Uplink weather and terrain mapping.

 

[aa73]

Amazing indeed. "Uplink weather?" As in, you get the live radar that you can see on the Weather Channel?

Wow. So, do these birds still have WX radar? Because, why would you use it with live radar download?

I personally prefer analog gauges, it makes flying more fun (although ya work harder.)
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[400A]

We still use the radar because the uplink weather has a 5-10 minute lag in it. I personally do not use it for up close weather avoidance but for planning your moves down the road it is awesome. You can also pull up metars, tafs, sigmets and airmets. some have actual winds aloft as well.

It is great to pull up your taxi diagram on a 8 x 10 screen and see your gps position on the diagram as you taxi. It is even heading specific.

Go to the Colllins web site and check out the Proline 21 series of avioncs. It is awesome.

 

[aa73]

I wonder when (if?) this stuff will ever make it to the airlines.

You're gonna laugh, but the thing that impressed me the most on my 767 transition course? The green arc that tells you where the aircraft will level out on a descent (along with VNAV.) No more 3:1 calculations for crossing restrictions!!!!

I hope the technology catches up to the airlines some day.

The Collins web site is awesome, thanks!

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[rumrnr78]

We have RAAS (Runway Advisory) on a few of our Falcon 50ex's; for example, the French voice says, "Approaching runway 17L". Makes you wonder if ComAir had had this on board would they have had the KLEX accident?
God bless- rum

 

[2000Easyguy]

All the glass is great. Moving maps, wx uplink, HUD,
and all the gizmos...
Hey, I may be flying steam gauges tomorrow, who knows?.
Flyn' both, I'd rather the glass!

 

[aa73]

Copy that... I guess I'm an old fashioned pilot with an affection for LRDs (little round dials)... I'm still awed by all the glass and technology we're seeing in even the most basic GA aircraft.

When I started on the -80 in 2000, we still had about 100 aircraft (out of 260) that were all steam gauge and no GFMS, so it was VOR to VOR. (Otherwise known as UNAV

 

[400A]

My brother used to call that "Vector" equipped!

Just remember not to put all of the info up on the screen until you get comfortable. It helps prevent information overload.

 

[BoilerUP]

The Citation II I fly is still all-analog...the closest thing we have to glass in our cockpit is a Garmin 496 for XM weather.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

All of our aircraft are equipped with XM weather and are TLAR approach capable.

 

[king200driver]

I fly a steam gauge Learjet and have flown a little glass and I would rather be in the Lear when the goin gets rough. Just my opinion though.

 

[aa73]

King... so the Lear 35s are still steam huh? Sweet!

I agree with your statement. Analogs tend to put hair on chest anyway...

 

[Dinger]

King... so the Lear 35s are still steam huh? Sweet!

I agree with your statement. Analogs tend to put hair on chest anyway...

I have been using glass since I stepped out of the FK-28 in 2000.....I really miss the ol' LR-35....the Porsche of flying. There is just something about shooting an approach and nailing crossing restrictions and configuring the aircraft to be at the FAF with 10 seconds to spare after the "Langing Check" is complete without having the aid of the "bananna" to tell you when/where you will be level....I wonder if I could do it now?

 

[aa73]

A-MEN, Dinger!

Now back to my advanced "state of the art" 1980s 4-tube EFIS studying.

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[Limeyflyer]

used to fly a fleet of hawker 700's all analog, they did have dual fms and a mfd in the middle but that was it

 

[FO4life]

I fly 35's and 55's, all steam.
I just finished 850xp School and I looked like an idiot. Too much information being blasted to my noggin. The instructor kept yelling at me because I was continually hand flying.