Anti union pilots.....I don't get it.

[John Pennekamp]

Reasons like these are why I decided to vote yes. My wife is going back to school soon and I will be the sole provider for her and our children. If I were by chance caught in a situation as J and E, we would be SCREWED. I don't think things would have gotten any better or worse at SkyWest if the voted passed, but having that type of protection would be a no brainer.

I will also say that some of you ALPA chest thumpers here have done an EXTREME injustice to the ALPA drive and the image of ALPA. I have no doubt that a sizable portion of the 65% were likely turned away by your negative and hostile attitudes. The next drive will probably be no better with those types around. You all know who you are. On the other hand, there have been a lot of very professional members on this board that took the time to educate the SkyWest pilots on the benefits and importance of a union. They made the biggest difference in the cause.

The drive failed. Let's get over it.

Me, I assume. So now it's our fault the drive failed?

Don't worry, there won't be another drive. Those of us who gave up time with our families to try to help you have given up on your pilot group. Oh, and you're welcome. You could have just said thanks.

 

[Jungle_Jet]

I don't trust anyone, that's precisely the point that you collectivists miss out on. I trust myself, and it's the collectivists that prevent me from taking charge of my own career.

The bottom line on unions is that they exist for no reason than to protect the most senior members (as well as to provide power for union "leadership").

Disagree? Ask what our RJ brethren think about their "representation".

 

[John Pennekamp]

I don't trust anyone, that's precisely the point that you collectivists miss out on. I trust myself, and it's the collectivists that prevent me from taking charge of my own career.

Ok. Details? How would the "collectivists" be doing that?

The bottom line on unions is that they exist for no reason than to protect the most senior members (as well as to provide power for union "leadership").

Really? Example? Personal experience or hearsay?

Disagree? Ask what our RJ brethren think about their "representation".

I dunno, I'd say a MAJORITY (Joe Merchant excluded) of ASA pilots are satisfied with our representation. And we fly RJs. Go on.

 

[A350]

Mega:

You may not agree, but you are looking at this from a perspective most of us are not.....

The cargo carriers, (I agree have management that is as greedy as the next), are a completely different ball game than the passenger carriers. And of the cargo carriers, UPS isn't ALPA. FedEx and others are. Of the cargo carriers, UPS and FedEx are the only "success" stories and SWA and to a lesser extent AMR are the passenger "success" stories.

FedEx and UPS are two companies who basically split the cargo in this country and abroad. There are niche players who fill voids, but you are speaking from a bullypulpit most of us wish we could.

SWA and AMR....SWA speaks for itself and AMR, for all the "battles" they are fighting still have a profitable carrier with a pension. The other passenger carriers are profitable now, but will never have the power to make money like UPS and FedEx until there is consolidation down to 3 or 4 carriers in the mainline US with large international ops.

Now that you have read my rant....IMO, there is no way you can compare what has happened where you are with where the SKYW pilots are or for that matter any passenger carrier.

If being part of the team is so great, why isn't UPS ALPA? I will bet the first guy who stands up in SDF and screams that ALPA is the way to go leaves with a few bruises and a limp.

ALPA has failed to represent all pilots to the betterment of all. They have successes from time to time, but their successes generally benefit one segment of their representation and hurt another. ALPA cannot represent competing interests and win. Anyone who has lived through 20 years of ALPA and has 4 uniforms in their closet is speaking from a place you will never be.

Instead of criticizing those less fortunate than you, perhaps thanking your lucky stars you aren't where they are or have been would be in order.

A350

 

[CA1900]

The bottom line on unions is that they exist for no reason than to protect the most senior members (as well as to provide power for union "leadership").

My experience with my current union is completely the opposite of what you've described. For example, our TA, while benefiting everyone to some extent, is giving the largest pay raises and QOL improvements to the most junior on our seniority list.

You're painting "unions" with a pretty broad brush. They're as good--or as bad--as the membership makes them.

 

[Lazy8]

It just absolutely freaking BLOWS MY MIND to see all the anti union pilots on here!

I mean, correct me if I am wrong here but IMO if you don't want a union, you are basically saying you trust management. Can management and trust really be used in the same sentence these days? Don't people see the crooks for who they are? Maybe I should start smoking whatever they are....

I just don't get it. WTF???? Management sticks together, why don't pilots? Management must be loving these people.

I don't get it either... but then again - these are the type of folks that voted for Bush... twice!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I don't trust anyone, that's precisely the point that you collectivists miss out on. I trust myself, and it's the collectivists that prevent me from taking charge of my own career.

Do do what? Show up and fly your trip and go home.. and take whatever your boss send your away... Taking charge of what career? And How are you going to do it... tell your boss if he doesn't see it your way you will quit... and if he says go ahead.. then what? Are you going to take charge..

The bottom line on unions is that they exist for no reason than to protect the most senior members (as well as to provide power for union "leadership").

Unions are democracies... how involved and effective you are is up to you..hows that for taking charge?

Disagree? Ask what our RJ brethren think about their "representation".

Its just fine... democratic and all

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ALPA has failed to represent all pilots to the betterment of all. A350

No...pilots have failed to understand how all of this works.. they expect ALPA to be thier ones stop shopping express lane check out wunderkind...

ALPA does fine representing ALL pilots under the circumstances... pilots have failed to align thier expectations with reality and particapte in thier careers...

 

[PCL_128]

I dunno, I'd say a MAJORITY (Joe Merchant excluded) of ASA pilots are satisfied with our representation. And we fly RJs. Go on.

And I'd say that an overwhelming majority of the regional pilots at Pinnacle are satisfied with their ALPA representation too.

 

[BE90flyer]

Friends don't let friends work at Pinnacle!!!

But ALPA represents you well? Pinnacle is the worst regional out there, you have said it yourself. How come ALPA doesnt come in and save the day?