Anti union pilots.....I don't get it.

[PCL_128]

Companies that exceed pay, benefits, working conditions of union companies, give their employees the advances brought into the work force by the unions, without having to pay dues. The non-union transplants auto companies, do not have unions, but are reported to be better places to work than the UAW represented plants.

That is still union intervention because those companies only provide those things to keep their workers from voting in a union. Without union companies out there to set the standards for wages, benefits, and work rules, those non-union workers would be getting minimum wage and slave labor conditions.

BTW I still remember the Teamsters taking dues out of my last paycheck as Zantop went out of buisness. I saved the pay stubb.

So what?

 

[pilotyip]

Exactly!

That is still union intervention because those companies only provide those things to keep their workers from voting in a union. Without union companies out there to set the standards for wages, benefits, and work rules, those non-union workers would be getting minimum wage and slave labor conditions.

So what?

But indirectly, enlightened management knows you have to match industry standards to be competitive in retaining and attacking employees. Therefore employees at those non-union companies benefit from the union company work rules without having to pay dues. I have never said I am against what unions have done to make our industry a better place to work, things like single rooms on RON's etc. BTW “So What” Unions are in the business of selling dues. If the Teamsters were as enlightened as many of the higher quality managers, they would understand you just lost your job and needed every nickel to feed yourself and not take that $100 out of your last paycheck, which included credit for earned vacation days.

 

[PCL_128]

<font face="Verdana">But indirectly, enlightened management knows you have to match industry standards to be competitive in retaining and attacking employees.

"Enlightened management" is a pipe dream, and really only exists at SWA in this industry.

Therefore employees at those non-union companies benefit from the union company work rules without having to pay dues. I have never said I am against what unions have done to make our industry a better place to work, things like single rooms on RON's etc.

In other words, you feel it's ok for these pilots to leach off of other pilots who are contributing to the cause both financially and otherwise? Non-union pilots are benefiting from unions, but are contributing nothing. In the end, they are worse off because the union would have more power and accomplish even more for them if they would just join the fight and create a true national brotherhood.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Non-union pilots are benefiting from unions, but are contributing nothing. In the end, they are worse off because the union would have more power and accomplish even more for them if they would just join the fight and create a true national brotherhood.

When is ALPA going to create a "true national brotherhood"..... one doesn't exist today.... however we would all benefit if there was a "true national brotherhood"..... Have ALPA get on that would ya....

 

[PCL_128]

When is ALPA going to create a "true national brotherhood"..... one doesn't exist today.... however we would all benefit if there was a "true national brotherhood"..... Have ALPA get on that would ya....

They're kind of busy dealing with back-stabbing, self-serving SOBs filing lawsuits.

 

[Gandalf]

They're kind of busy dealing with back-stabbing, self-serving SOBs filing lawsuits.

NICE!

 

[Gandalf]

without taking care of your employees you are at a disadvantage in the market place. But there is balance.

Yes, but the real reason that managements of certain companies are "taking care of the employees" is to generate more production out of that employee IN ORDER TO MAKE A PROFIT FOR THE SHAREHOLDERS. It is what a good company should do.

It is also self-serving.

It also can be taken advantage of.

Show the employee that management "cares" and they won't be as concerned with what the management is doing with the company or what effect that may have on others.

I would bet the employees at Enron and WorldComm FELT THAT MANAGEMENT CARED. They probably had some great perks. Maybe some things like in-house day care, gym memberships, reimbursements for various things, etc. etc. All of these "intrinsic" things make you as the employee FEEL valued.

It DOES NOT change the fact that managements focus is profits. The execs and managers at Enron and WorldComm got greedy. They took advantage of the "FEEL GOOD" rug that they had pulled over the eyes of their employees and investors. What makes you so sure it won't happen again?

The key is to TAKE OUT THE EMOTIONS. Realize that it is what it is. Business. Employer priorities vs. Employee priorities.

Do your job to the best of your abilities. Assist the company in its goals. But don't let your emotions blind you concerning the facts and realities of business.

In this industry, with all of the responsibilities that we hold in our hands it is incumbent on us that we take out the emotions and....

Realize that the management drive for profit will often contradict and interfere with OUR needs to provide safe service.

 

[pilotyip]

Am I a leach?

In other words, you feel it's ok for these pilots to leach off of other pilots who are contributing to the cause both financially and otherwise? Non-union pilots are benefiting from unions, but are contributing nothing. In the end, they are worse off because the union would have more power and accomplish even more for them if they would just join the fight and create a true national brotherhood.

PCL says all non-union pilots are leaches, is that what I see here? So as a former dues paying union member who finds himself unemployed and takes a job at a great non-union company I am now a leach? Is that close to being a SCAB? And it is all right for unions to take money from unemployed pilots?

 

[PCL_128]

PCL says all non-union pilots are leaches, is that what I see here?

Yeah, pretty much. When you benefit from what unions have accomplished without contributing to the cause, you are a leech.

And it is all right for unions to take money from unemployed pilots?

Where does it stop? Does the next pilot group that takes concessions claim that they also have a financial hardship and can't pay dues? What if there's a downturn and everyone is taking paycuts? Does everyone stop paying dues because they claim they can't afford it? I'm sorry that your company went out of business, and I hate to defend the Teamsters, but they were not unjustified in taking dues out of your paycheck.

 

[pilotyip]

Hey PCL you did not answer this part "So as a former dues paying union member who finds himself unemployed and takes a job at a great non-union company I am now a leach? Is that close to being a SCAB?"