Another SWA proposal

[clueless]

AT pilots take this deal or they never see their picture on a SWA ID.

Seniority isn't forever when you're on the street.

 

[Pilot Knob]

Threats are fun. Clueless seems nice too.

 

[vv100]

Clueless is ther perfect handle for you brother

 

[On Your Six]

SWAPA was pretty clear...they weren't going to accept a 'lesser' deal. SWA was also pretty clear...most of the economic benefits of the AIP are gone for good.

Based on that, my guess would be an offer with less seniority, less protection and much less money for trannies. My guess is they will cave and take GK's deal by a clear majority. Then they will spend the next 20 years whining about the "minority of idiots" that took the deal.

Of course, if the MEC forwards a deal like I described after turning down a far better one, they better enter the witness relocation program for the rest of their careers!

If that's the case, arbitration may be a good option for the AT guys. If it happens, the list would be binding, forever. Forever. So much fun. The pay will return, too. Sounds like the Process Agreement will be followed. Popcorn ready!


Godspeed to YOU!


OYS

 

[doh]

You are stuck with Bond-McCaskell. They will wear the ID, and Gary will get a bonus. Read Bond-McCaskell and weep.

 

[FDJ2]

If that's the case, arbitration may be a good option for the AT guys. If it happens, the list would be binding, forever. Forever. So much fun. The pay will return, too. Sounds like the Process Agreement will be followed. Popcorn ready!


Godspeed to YOU!


OYS

The arbitrators award, which will be binding, will certainly be better then what Gary Kelly proffered. I don't understand all the fear and hysteria from the SWAPA guys, if their so confident about their arguments with regards to a seniority integration, why all the fear of arbitration. Make your best case and move on.

 

[Old School]

Bond-McCaskell does not compel SWA from ever combining operations with AAI.

 

[Crash Pad]

Here at ALPA we can take a bad deal and make it worse!

 

[freightdogfred]

Here at ALPA we can take a bad deal and make it worse!

How do you blame ALPA for this? If there is any improvement in the SLI, it's a better deal for FL. That's what the merger committee went to Dallas for, not a barrel of Texas snake oil. The process agreement which was agreed upon by both unions and companies has been reneged upon by SWAPA, and backed up by credible threats from SWA mgmt. They clearly will not honor that agreement, what makes you think they will honor any other agreement they sign? I have great respect and have admired WN over the years for their vaunted "culture" but it seems to me they have diminished it greatly by these actions.

 

[4day]

Here at ALPA we can take a bad deal and make it worse!

That's exactly what the super 7 did.

 

[wood pecker]

Why have attorneys spend all that time and money drafting PA etc... if a CEO can say screw it take it or leave it?

Is this how SW contract negotiations will go in the future?

Why is there a SWAPA if they don't do any of the negotiating with the MC. Just save your union dues and let the CEO threaten all who oppose.

It must work as proven by your success so maybe UAL and Continental should do the same. Take it or leave it, we don't have to follow any agreements.

Just a little ticked that that I fell for the ALPA propaganda and now realize attorneys are as useful/less as congress.

 

[shootr]

Is this how SW contract negotiations will go in the future?

Pretty much. ALPA thinks SWAPA is weak but this is the kind of negotiating we're up against every section 6. It took a lot of work to get to where we're at. Southwest treats us great...but they negotiate like the devil.

 

[slaquer5]

How do you blame ALPA for this? If there is any improvement in the SLI, it's a better deal for FL. That's what the merger committee went to Dallas for, not a barrel of Texas snake oil. The process agreement which was agreed upon by both unions and companies has been reneged upon by SWAPA, and backed up by credible threats from SWA mgmt. They clearly will not honor that agreement, what makes you think they will honor any other agreement they sign? I have great respect and have admired WN over the years for their vaunted "culture" but it seems to me they have diminished it greatly by these actions.

When you get to SWA You will see how it is a family. It's not a bunch of hype. I could tell you stories that would make you weep,of what SWA has done for some of the employes .

 

[freightdogfred]

The irony of it all is that I have heard (I do not know this as fact) that all previous enticements are off the table, such as 717 pay. Also, I heard over 100 CA bids for the senior SW F/O's right away. So, since I've been told many times "WN F/O's make more than FL CA's" I would assume not one WN F/O will bid for a Captain slot on the 717.

 

[Wolf King]

What's behind door number two ain't gonna be better than door number one. I wouldn't want to check out door number three, the cat isn't all that curiosity killed.. it's pretty hard on the critter too. I am praying you do, though. Go Alpa, Go! We luv you!

Arbitration will be better for you, I promise! We are screwed!

 

[scoreboardII]

Also, I heard over 100 CA bids for the senior SW F/O's right away. So, since I've been told many times "WN F/O's make more than FL CA's" I would assume not one WN F/O will bid for a Captain slot on the 717.

If true, no upgrades needed, Lance captains could fill all those slots without one upgrade. A WN FO won't be making AT captain pay, he will be making WN CA pay, big difference.

 

[freightdogfred]

If true, no upgrades needed, Lance captains could fill all those slots without one upgrade. A WN FO won't be making AT captain pay, he will be making WN CA pay, big difference.

So you will pay a Lance FO/CA one rate....and a Airtran line captain a substantially lower rate. Is that what you're telling me?

 

[scoreboardII]

So you will pay a Lance FO/CA one rate....and a Airtran line captain a substantially lower rate. Is that what you're telling me?

No, but a WN FO making whatever 717 CA rate might get a WN FO to bid 717 CA...

I doubt it though as we are hearing those things are gone inside two years, why waste the effort.

Notice the much vaunted 717 sim move to DAL has not happened?

 

[Capn Butthead]

I don't care if it's $10 an hour more an hour...I'd bid it because it is about the money to me I'd gladly work weekends and holidays for more money. At least I'm honest.

 

[scoreboardII]

There you have it.