Another speed bump in the AT/SWA combination

[PCL_128]

Ok I gotta ask. Now I'm taking what you said above as being true since you were part of the mec at the time and were somewhat involved in the process. If as you say, the MC and a portion of the mec believed strongly that Gary was threatening the entire pilot group with the loss of jobs, then why did the mec vote 7-1 against sending out SL9 for ratification?

Did they have time to think about it for the next several weeks after the agreement was reached and thought "Nah he's bluffing" Did they review the hidden infrared camera focused on Gary and realized the color hues suggested he was bluffing. Did they see Gary wink at Mike VdV and thought "ah ha.. we gotcha"! Just curious. What was it? I mean after all you, a then member of the mec, granted not a voting member, but nevertheless a member of the mec comes on a public forum and says that a portion of the mec and mc strongly believed that jobs were threatened, yet they still said no thanks to the offer. Phew.. That's just overwhelming.

I'll tell ya T. You know where the mec and mc messed up? If you're gonna say no. Fine say no, but follow it through to the end. Don't go out again and bring back another agreement that is worse than the first and then vote unanimously to send it out for a vote. That's where we messed up son. Everything else is just semantics.

I wasn't a member of the MEC, either voting or non-voting. You'll have to talk to the people who were.

 

[K-Mart]

That is the $64,000 question.
I felt it was real enough. What about you?

No I think they would have let it go to arbitration and given a recommendation to the arbitrator of what they thought was fair(737 pilots only). I also think they would have only integrated the number of 737 pilots on the AirTran list if went that far. If the arbitrator ruled against what SWA wanted then yes they would have non integrated. Just a guess but yes I think they would have tossed a significant number under the bus. Why the Airtan union didn't realize SWA would use the hammer after looking at history is beyond me.

 

[SWA/FO]

Why don't you walk away from Southwest PCL? Go to law school or something.

 

[Britpilot]

Why the Airtan union didn't realize SWA would use the hammer after looking at history is beyond me.

Yup, me too.

 

[Kharma Police]

Why don't you walk away from Southwest PCL? Go to law school or something.

Piggy has to get his undergrad degree first before he attempts to go to ambulance chaser school or even ALPA safe houses like DAL or FedEx. Assuming he survives his 30s, he will retire number one on your (our) seniority list.

 

[labatt]

He will retire number one on your (our) seniority list.

He'll retire at number two, but who's counting? :beer:

 

[Ty Webb]

He'll retire at number two, but who's counting? :beer:

T.O. will retire at #1 on the SWA list?

This will heretofore be referred to as "The Mother of all Ironies"! :laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

Why don't you walk away from Southwest PCL?

Believe me, I'm working on it.

 

[JT12345]

Everyone here is wondering why Gary Kelly took sides after the first deal was voted down, and why didn't he just take sides before the first vote. The threats were never in writing until after the first MEC vote. It was all here-say and too easy to disbelieve especially due to the positive reputation of SWA management and employees.

I think a lot did not think he would threaten us the way he did. It was shocking to the industry just how involved he got and what he said. Most managers would have just let it go to arbitration, so they are not blamed for the out come. In fact he did that for the other employee groups, but singled out the pilots. You can say it is because we were the first, but that does not matter to us.

We were a large employee group with a successful company that was competing very well with others in the industry. It was shocking to us how this went down, and from what I gather others in the industry as well.

 

[TahoeBoarder]

JT,
So now GK is your new CEO and we may be faced with this again someday. Do you want him to take your side or stay neutral next time?
All about perspective...

 

[funnyman12]

Tahoe...what will SWAPA do when GK threatens them and is not on their side? Its coming.....at least fat pilots are prepared, are you?

 

[TahoeBoarder]

The FAT pilots are prepared to do what? Cave and vote yes to the tune of 84% just like SWAPA? I'm sure GK is quaking in his boots cause we sure showed him last time. Same team now Bro.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Everyone here is wondering why Gary Kelly took sides after the first deal was voted down, and why didn't he just take sides before the first vote. The threats were never in writing until after the first MEC vote. It was all here-say and too easy to disbelieve especially due to the positive reputation of SWA management and employees.

I think a lot did not think he would threaten us the way he did. It was shocking to the industry just how involved he got and what he said. Most managers would have just let it go to arbitration, so they are not blamed for the out come. In fact he did that for the other employee groups, but singled out the pilots. You can say it is because we were the first, but that does not matter to us.

We were a large employee group with a successful company that was competing very well with others in the industry. It was shocking to us how this went down, and from what I gather others in the industry as well.

Quoting "industry"?? Is this like saying "people say" or something. Who are these "industry" people?

 

[Britpilot]

Believe me, I'm working on it.

Finally some good news.

 

[Citrusflyer]

The FAT pilots are prepared to do what? Cave and vote yes to the tune of 84% just like SWAPA? I'm sure GK is quaking in his boots cause we sure showed him last time. Same team now Bro.

I doubt you'll find a lot of FAT pilots who'll vote yes on anything else again, ever.