Another speed bump in the AT/SWA combination

[bravodude]

Seriously? You would still question that after all we've seen them do? Nothing is beneath these people.

I miss Kolski.

We here at SWA LUV you too!

 

[scoreboardII]

Ostrichboy,

They cant figure out a simple, consistent, efficient and safe Performence system for a fleet of 737s. 800s out of Midway in the summer and Key West on a wet runway. Nuff said. No single engine taxi on the largest fleet of high frequency aircraft in the world, during periods of the highest fuel prices. Trying to re invent reservation systems. International and ETOPS considered a challenge equal to spaceflight in the 1940s ..... And you don't believe they couldn't charge for extra bags ?

Wear goggles. Sand irritates the eye.

you are right, they know nothing! Only been at it for 40 years, they'll be out of business in a few quarters!

 

[737tanker]

SWA will be hiring off the street for FAs starting at the beginning of the year. Makes perfect sense. Much cheaper to hire at first year pay, than to transition FAs at higher steps on the payscale.

I talked with some SWA F/As and the hiring will be internals only and it is due to -800s replacing the classics and 717s as the -800s need that 4th F/A.

 

[Lear70]

I talked with some SWA F/As and the hiring will be internals only and it is due to -800s replacing the classics and 717s as the -800s need that 4th F/A.

We are overstaffed by your staffing ratio.

They could take our F/A's and not have any problem with staffing on our side and fix the problem on your side of an extra needed 4th F/A, but they're not.

Inquiring minds want to know why. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever unless it really IS all about the money, regardless of what it does to employee morale.

As far as Kolski goes, not sorry to see him leave. Never did like the "I'm going to scream at you in the room then we can go have a beer and stare at women because it's all a big game to me" approach.

That said, from my vantage point, the approach SWA management appears to have taken is "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer." It's certainly hard to tell which one you are on any given day.

 

[climbhappy]

longevity and benefits dont grow on trees

a colleague of mine here in china has a SWA FA wife who has dropped all her trips for 2 years and goes to recurrent but keeps the insurance....weren't they going to crack down on this and change the work rules etc for FAs?

 

[PCL_128]

As far as Kolski goes, not sorry to see him leave. Never did like the "I'm going to scream at you in the room then we can go have a beer and stare at women because it's all a big game to me" approach.

Call me crazy, but I'd much rather have some manager scream at me for a while then buy me a beer after reaching a fair deal than have some manager smile and tell me how wonderful his company is, then steal my seniority while holding a gun to my head.

 

[slaquer5]

Call me crazy,

Any time

And I do.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Call me crazy, but I'd much rather have some manager scream at me for a while then buy me a beer after reaching a fair deal than have some manager smile and tell me how wonderful his company is, then steal my seniority while holding a gun to my head.

Which fair deal were you referring to that was agreed to by Kolski and then followed through by the company?

 

[Uppercrust]

Kolski was so strong and powerful.

 

[redflyer65]

some manager smile and tell me how wonderful his company is, then steal my seniority while holding a gun to my head.

After a Negotiated agreement (that was produced by the AAI NC) the MEC decided they knew better and sh!t canned it.

You stuck your head out of the fox hole and got shot, even though we told you not too. Then your surprised? It was said on this forum many, many times that SW management would bring the hammer if needed. The rest is history.

 

[PCL_128]

After a Negotiated agreement (that was produced by the AAI NC) the MEC decided they knew better and sh!t canned it.

You do realize that the first agreement was also the result of the MC having a gun held to their heads, right? Nothing in this process was ever in good faith. There were never any consensual deals.

 

[Lear70]

Nothing in this process was ever in good faith. There were never any consensual deals.

All you need, unfortunately, is the *APPEARANCE* of a consensual deal to keep it safely out of court.

We all know (even the SWA people who keep trying to tote out that 84% vote) that it was under duress and threat of losing our jobs. They will keep talking about the vote turnout and we will keep clarifying the truth probably until we retire.

[deadhorse]

As for me, I'll keep dropping down to 18 days off or so, get as many weekends and holidays off as possible, and get as many long layovers as I can. I didn't get into a flying career to fly 20 days a month with 9 hour layovers every night in Amarillo or Buffalo.

Maybe I'll even upgrade before I'm 60.

 

[scoreboardII]

Call me crazy, but I'd much rather have some manager scream at me for a while then buy me a beer after reaching a fair deal than have some manager smile and tell me how wonderful his company is, then steal my seniority while holding a gun to my head.

Got a picture of that gun?

 

[Britpilot]

Got a picture of that gun?

Yeah we do.
It's an SLI 2 chambered in 44 BS

 

[Skyboy722]

Ostrichboy,

They cant figure out a simple, consistent, efficient and safe Performence system for a fleet of 737s. 800s out of Midway in the summer and Key West on a wet runway. Nuff said. No single engine taxi on the largest fleet of high frequency aircraft in the world, during periods of the highest fuel prices. Trying to re invent reservation systems. International and ETOPS considered a challenge equal to spaceflight in the 1940s ..... And you don't believe they couldn't charge for extra bags ?

Wear goggles. Sand irritates the eye.

Dicko,

I am highly critical of SWA's shortcomings, and believe me, I agree with everything you mention above. But I was being specific. SW already charges for the third bag, and does have the IT capability to charge for the first two. You missed the part where I said that the reason they don't is because of their dumb a$$ misguided "bags fly free" campaign and their retarded public promise that "SW would never charge for bags". They need a little more time to pass before they renig on that promise.

I never, ever, praised their IT prowess.

Ostrichboy? Clever.

 

[redflyer65]

You do realize that the first agreement was also the result of the MC having a gun held to their heads, right? Nothing in this process was ever in good faith. There were never any consensual deals.

Who held a gun to their head early in the process, when just the AAI MC and the SWAPA MC were getting together? Who provided the duress?

 

[Lear70]

Got a picture of that gun?

Sure, it's called the GK letter dated 2 days after the vote-down of SIA 1 and the road show video in Orlando 1 week before the vote.



Seriously, dead horse. Everyone knows what the threat was and how it happened. To say it was voluntary on either side is just disingenuous. You guys got coerced just like we did, the difference is the coercion on our side was an end-run around M/B. Unfortunately, having a vote turnout as high as it was, even under duress, is *JUST* enough to keep a successful lawsuit about it from going anywhere.

So we'll all deal with it. My way is to work as little as possible so I'm reminded of it as little as possible. Other people will cope in their own way, and hopefully the economy will recover, growth will kick in with expansion into southern lattitudes, and it won't be as stagnant as we all fear.

 

[Lear70]

Who held a gun to their head early in the process, when just the AAI MC and the SWAPA MC were getting together? Who provided the duress?

I think he's talking about everything that happened after the Process Agreement, right about the time SWA presented their idea of a "Fair integration", and our Merger Committee walked, thus setting up the next set of meetings where the pressure started getting applied and consensual went out the window.

 

[Britpilot]

Who held a gun to their head early in the process, when just the AAI MC and the SWAPA MC were getting together? Who provided the duress?

No one.
However on one Saturday in July, management walked in and took over the negotiations. From that day forward it was a dog and pony show for the AAI guys, ultimately ending in what we have.
Believe it or don't, it doesn't matter anymore.

 

[K-Mart]

Yeah we do.
It's an SLI 2 chambered in 44 BS

Do you think it was a valid threat?
Or do you think it was a bluff?