Another Merger, Another Bankruptcy whens it gonna end!

[SWA Bubba]

Although southwest wouldn't be around today had government involvement been removed.

Uh... You're gonna' have to expound on that a little.

How exactly did "government involvement" allow SWA to exist? It seems like "government involvement has, for the most part, worked against SWA. Certainly more than other airlines, especially legacies. It was deregulation (removal of government involvement) that helped us flourish. And, of course, there's that well-known bit of RE-regulation, i.e. "government involvement," that was actually an barely-disguised attempt to kill us. Uh... that would be the Wright Amendment, snuck into unrelated legislation by Speaker Jim Wright (D-Ft Worth), who essentially acted as an American Airlines proxy. We survived despite this attempt.

Bubba

 

[SIG600]

Uh... You're gonna' have to expound on that a little.

How exactly did "government involvement" allow SWA to exist? It seems like "government involvement has, for the most part, worked against SWA. Certainly more than other airlines, especially legacies. It was deregulation (removal of government involvement) that helped us flourish. And, of course, there's that well-known bit of RE-regulation, i.e. "government involvement," that was actually an barely-disguised attempt to kill us. Uh... that would be the Wright Amendment, snuck into unrelated legislation by Speaker Jim Wright (D-Ft Worth), who essentially acted as an American Airlines proxy. We survived despite this attempt.

Bubba

Yet another in the loooooong list of reasons people need to be screaming for the repeal of the 17th amendment.

 

[Flopgut]

Uh... You're gonna' have to expound on that a little.

How exactly did "government involvement" allow SWA to exist? It seems like "government involvement has, for the most part, worked against SWA. Certainly more than other airlines, especially legacies. It was deregulation (removal of government involvement) that helped us flourish. And, of course, there's that well-known bit of RE-regulation, i.e. "government involvement," that was actually an barely-disguised attempt to kill us. Uh... that would be the Wright Amendment, snuck into unrelated legislation by Speaker Jim Wright (D-Ft Worth), who essentially acted as an American Airlines proxy. We survived despite this attempt.

Bubba

YGTBSM....

Braniff matched your fares and would have put you out of business. You had them thrown off "your" airport. The WA was written to save you. No airline's BK has ever been as one sided as the deal SWA got with the WA.

 

[jonjuan]

YGTBSM....

Braniff matched your fares and would have put you out of business. You had them thrown off "your" airport. The WA was written to save you. No airline's BK has ever been as one sided as the deal SWA got with the WA.

And bingo was his name-o

 

[HalinTexas]

Boy you guys need to read up on your history.

 

[funnyman12]

I think you guys forget that we are pilots. You guys argue about crap that is way over all our heads. I think it is amusing. Being a pilot is a job, not my life. Though im amused at all the CEO's that post on here. So please continue so i can chuckle at all the FI experts.

 

[Lear70]

I think you guys forget that we are pilots. You guys argue about crap that is way over all our heads. I think it is amusing. Being a pilot is a job, not my life. Though im amused at all the CEO's that post on here. So please continue so i can chuckle at all the FI experts.

Ayuh...

I'm intelligent enough to be able to SEE what is wrong while, at the same time, recognizing that there's little that I can personally do to actually change anything.

Thinking otherwise is just going to get you a concussion from beating your head against the wall repeatedly. :deadhorse:

ymmv

 

[The Prussian]

Braniff matched your fares and would have put you out of business. You had them thrown off "your" airport. The WA was written to save you. No airline's BK has ever been as one sided as the deal SWA got with the WA.

Hmmm,...let's examine these four sentences with the truth detector...

...STATEMENT by FLOPGUT.............TRUTH DETECTOR

Braniff matched your fares and.......................................

You had them thrown off................................................

The WA was written to save you.....................................

No airline's BK has ever.................................................



Truth detector's overall assessment of FLOPGUT'S post.....uke:


Oh, well.....

 

[SWA Bubba]

YGTBSM....

Braniff matched your fares and would have put you out of business. You had them thrown off "your" airport. The WA was written to save you. No airline's BK has ever been as one sided as the deal SWA got with the WA.

Holy crap! What have YOU been smoking? How do you say (while keeping a straight face) that the Wright Amendment "was written to save [us]"? Is that straight out of the AA Political Lobbying playbook? Do you even know what the Wright Amendment is?

A little history: After all the meritless legal attacks were settled (with prejudice, I might add) in SWA's favor, and the other airlines couldn't stop us from flying out of Texas (when deregulation happened), THEN, and only then, did Jim Wright (D-Ft Worth) sneak in his amendment designed to cripple us. It was designed solely to keep us from competing with airlines at DFW in general, and AA in particular (you know, Wright's FW "hometown" airline). We didn't ask for it, we didn't want it, and we sure as heck didn't like it. It's been a thorn in our side, and hurt our Dallas operation for over 30 years. Only two and a half more years, however, and we can do what we want at Love Field.

Also, what are you talking about with "our BK"? Southwest has never been in bankruptcy. We've made an annual profit every year since 1973.

As near as I can tell, only one thing you said was actually true: Braniff matched our fares at one point. Check. We fought back with the "liquor with a full price ticket" battle plan. No one got "thrown off our airport." Ever. Lots of folks (American and Continental included) have operated out of Love Field over the years, and still do.

Would you care to explain WHY you think the WA could possibly have helped us? Or why AA and DFW's Congressional Representative (Wright) would have written a law to help the "enemy"? Or for that matter, where you're getting your so-called "facts"?

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

I think bubba handled the wright amendment in his standard superb fashion, so onto more interesting things:

Yet another in the loooooong list of reasons people need to be screaming for the repeal of the 17th amendment.

How would repeal of the 17th amendment affect anything about Jim wright, a congressman?
But moving past that, IMO, in all things political in our republic, the enemy is corruption- which is a moving target at best. But not a target we should ever stop seeking to destroy.
I do believe the latest round of propaganda espousing the repeal of the 17th is to further consolidate power in the united states to a few. There is an element here that truly believes in their birthright, and would like to see themselves returned to their rightful position as kings and lords. Even if called another, more palatable and veiled name.
This consolidation of power, whether it is citizens united, or the financial services modernization act, or the dilution of power of the people through repeal of the 17th is in direct conflict with the preamble of the constitution and as Lincoln spoke so eloquently about it at Gettysburg :
"that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

"Our democracy depends upon an informed constituency"- T. Jefferson

You sig, seem to have a propagandized education, and if capable of success as a commercial pilot, can do better than these regurgitations.

 

[dicko]

A free market is regulated by design... it's not anarchy. How do you think this country exploded onto the global scene so fast? Unfortunately when you let gov't intervene or set standards you get bubbles like what happened in 2007-8. The stage was set for that one as far back as the 80's with legislation that was passed.

We've been here before;

1907- 'The Great Panic' in the market. Regulation of Derivatives trading is discussed and attempted.

1929- 'Great Depression'.

1934- SEC Act and the regulation of derivatives trading.

2000- Both houses remove the regulation.

2008- Guess what ?


Over simplified but true.

 

[ASADFW7]

This thread is being considered thick skinned debate now, and less factual.

 

[Flopgut]

Also, what are you talking about with "our BK"? Southwest has never been in bankruptcy. We've made an annual profit every year since 1973.

I didn't say you ever went BK.

We've had all this out years ago.

Bottom line: If Love Field had remained either closed or open, equally, to all airlines, SWA would not be in business and the WA would not have been written.

 

[Lear70]

This thread is being considered thick skinned debate now, and less factual.

And this is different than what happens on every OTHER FlightInfo topic HOW??

Every generation of mods tries to reinvent the wheel, when FI is, has been, and always will be a mud-slinging arena.

But it's amusing to watch...

 

[Secret Squirrel]

You guys make it sound like this is an epidemic of only the airline industry. Show me an established industry that does not see increased competition and downward pressure on labor. The problem with our industry is that we can not come out with an IPAD type wunderproduct that will give us an edge over the competition that lets us increase our margins.