And The Answer Is....

[chitownpilot]

No better than Gojets pilots !!

I think I could benefit from an explanation of this statement. Please tell me how we're worse than what Gojet pilots did to the guys at Trans States...

 

[PCL_128]

No better than Gojets pilots !!

I don't know about that. Certainly a horrible decision, but not as bad as what the GoJet slime did.

 

[DashTrash400]

I think I could benefit from an explanation of this statement. Please tell me how we're worse than what Gojet pilots did to the guys at Trans States...

It was an overstatement on his part. You're not worse than GoJet pilots. Your actions certaintly aren't as bad as (the original) GoJet pilots. I think many consider the mentality to be the same, though:

"Screw everyone else, I'm getting mine."

It's the same reason GoJet guys get called scabs even though what they did wasn't scabbing. It's because of the scablike mentality. Forget what's good for the profession or anyone else, what's in it for me.

 

[Gobi Gred]

This is the third drive I've seen fail and each time it gets harder to take because it convinces me all the more that this pilot group will learn the hard way why this is a unionized profession. I guess I'll just have to be happy with the fact that someday I'll get to say "I told you so". Thanks to everyone on the organizing committee who gave their time and effort on this.

 

[urflyingme?!]

What will we do when SAPA dies soon?

 

[120% Torque]

I think I could benefit from an explanation of this statement. Please tell me how we're worse than what Gojet pilots did to the guys at Trans States...

I'll give you one EASY example off the top of my head. What Skywest (the 65%) pilots did to the rest of the industry with up to 99 seat pay for 50 seat pay is much worse than what Gojets ever did. Thats just ONE example. Lots of industry sellouts reside at Skywest Airlines. This vote only further solidifies the position of the 65% undercutting pilots at Skywest Airlines.

 

[Flyprdu]

Are people seriously surprised?? Man- short-sightedness at it's finest. People don't realize as the majors give up scope, all our tours in the regionals get extended. But from the way people were talking on here, with such hatred for the union - it's clear that the propaganda was working.

To the ALPA brothers who worked on SKYW: Thanks for your help, it's like people say about leading a horse to water, you can't make him drink.

 

[chitownpilot]

I'll give you one EASY example off the top of my head. What Skywest (the 65%) pilots did to the rest of the industry with up to 99 seat pay for 50 seat pay is much worse than what Gojets ever did. Thats just ONE example. Lots of industry sellouts reside at Skywest Airlines. This vote only further solidifies the position of the 65% undercutting pilots at Skywest Airlines.

Were you at Trans States when the Gojet thing was going down? I was, and as I recall, that whole operation cost 60 of my co-workers their jobs... Now I'm sure we can argue endlessly about pay rates, overrides, and whats considered a quality wage, but I dont think Skywest not voting in ALPA is going to get anybody furloughed...

 

[BoilerUP]

That you W?

 

[chitownpilot]

That you W?

Im embarassed to say it is, what up PL...

 

[DashTrash400]

Were you at Trans States when the Gojet thing was going down? I was, and as I recall, that whole operation cost 60 of my co-workers their jobs... Now I'm sure we can argue endlessly about pay rates, overrides, and whats considered a quality wage, but I dont think Skywest not voting in ALPA is going to get anybody furloughed...

The regionals being the $hithole they are has contributed to many, many extended furloughs at the majors. The no voters at Skywest aren't responsible for the situation; they just voted for it to continue.

 

[chitownpilot]

The regionals being the $hithole they are has contributed to many, many extended furloughs at the majors. The no voters at Skywest aren't responsible for the situation; they just voted for it to continue.

Again, how exactly, if Skywest had been ALPA, would that have prevented the majors running their operation on minimum staffing and keeping as few pilots on property as was absolutely necessary? Thats what caused extended furloughs at the majors.. changed business models with far too much outsourcing to regionals.. Not unionized representation at Skywest or any other regional..

And last time I checked, all the majors are hiring except American... so how does this vote prolong the situation you're refering to?

 

[Lil Jon]

Were you at Trans States when the Gojet thing was going down? I was, and as I recall, that whole operation cost 60 of my co-workers their jobs... Now I'm sure we can argue endlessly about pay rates, overrides, and whats considered a quality wage, but I dont think Skywest not voting in ALPA is going to get anybody furloughed...

i'm with ya but i think it was actually 72, not to mention the 60 fo's that escaped during the same time, but who's counting

 

[120% Torque]

Were you at Trans States when the Gojet thing was going down? I was, and as I recall, that whole operation cost 60 of my co-workers their jobs... Now I'm sure we can argue endlessly about pay rates, overrides, and whats considered a quality wage, but I dont think Skywest not voting in ALPA is going to get anybody furloughed...

As DashTrash said, the way an uprepresented Skywest operates has harmed many pilots. regional and major alike (ie jetblue set rates off the 99 for 50 skywest rates, skybus/virginA point to these rates and pseudo scabs like the 65% continue lowering the bar)....harmful agreements and an undercutting group that primarily benefits mangagement ripples throughout the industry for years to come. We dont live in a vaccumme. Anyway, I'm done here.

 

[BoilerUP]

Im embarassed to say it is, what up PL...

Nada man...wasting time on stuff that doesn't directly concern me. As usual.

I wish ya'll had voted for representation as you know from our chat, but I also realize it ain't my sandbox and I respect the decision of the SKW group against ALPA. Its time for us all to move forward against the issues facing us individually as groups and together as a collective of small jet pilots.

Of course none of this will stop me from letting you buy the beer next time we bump into each other...

 

[WalterSobchak]

Nada man...wasting time on stuff that doesn't directly concern me. As usual.

I wish ya'll had voted for representation as you know from our chat, but I also realize it ain't my sandbox and I respect the decision of the SKW group against ALPA. Its time for us all to move forward against the issues facing us individually as groups and together as a collective of small jet pilots.

Of course none of this will stop me from letting you buy the beer next time we bump into each other...

Wow...that was...diplomatic. I've never seen such diplomacy on FI.com.

 

[Baze]

Hey, everone is invited to a BIG party at a certain houseboat on Lake Powell tonight!

BYOB and keep your hands off SW if you don't want to incur the wrath of Brad.

 

[chitownpilot]

As DashTrash said, the way an uprepresented Skywest operates has harmed many pilots. regional and major alike (ie jetblue set rates off the 99 for 50 skywest rates, skybus/virginA point to these rates and pseudo scabs like the 65% continue lowering the bar)....harmful agreements and an undercutting group that primarily benefits mangagement ripples throughout the industry for years to come. We dont live in a vaccumme. Anyway, I'm done here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it would take a Skywest captain (at the 50 seat rate) 12 years to make what a JetBlue 190 1st year captain makes...and a Skywest FO (again 50 seat rate) could never make what a JetBlue 190 1st year FO makes...how exactly do the two payrates reflect each other again?

Also, Skybus's business model and pay rate have been beat to death on these forums, and I dont care for either of them.. but I dont see how Skybus, a company who is based on RyanAir in Europe, is effected by what Skywest does. You could also subscribe to the theory that if its that bad, nobody would work there, right?

 

[BoilerUP]

Wow...that was...diplomatic. I've never seen such diplomacy on FI.com.

Its different when you actually know, like, and respect the person you are talking to.

Yes, a foreign concept on Flightinfo I know...

 

[ROSWELL41]

Disappointed but not surprised...