And so it begins... mergers.

[Jmoney]

Hmmm....

You know you're making fun of Breast Cancer Awareness by using that plane in your avatar, Tanker Clown?

It would seem that the more appropriate question here would be: "who the hell cares?"

-Just Damn....

 

[General Lee]

Southwest and AirTran must not operate during the "slow Winter quarter." They must need international routes if they want awsome winter quarters like Delta.

What do they not have that we have a lot of? Answer: RJs. We are now starting to park unprofitable RJs on routes that do not fill up during the slower winter months. Read the article I posted about it. It certainly will help when we need it most. But, the LCCs will see a decline here on the domestic market too, and they are not doing great themselves right now. Southwest is hedged well, and if they weren't they would be showing a loss I bet. Did you read about their shuffle of flights to find more revenue? They removed 40 current flights (including 10 from OAK) and then added 49 (17 in DEN) to find better revenue. Airlines will have to continue to do that to find a profit.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dtfl]

Pretty similar to a DC-9 I suppose....Two throttles, a landing gear lever,...I got it !!!

Now Gen, will we NWA'ers get a 10% RAISE?
....THATS THE BIG QUESTION ?

Or will we just have to quietly go back to wearing our hats ?

WAIT..wait...they have autothrottles, a crappy AFCS and some glass. Now you got it.
So...let's make a deal...you get to fly the -88s if you can help us bring the Asian FAs in with the airframes?????!?!??! Deal?

 

[waveflyer]

all these merger talks just got me remindin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaKkuJVy2YA&feature=related

33 VP's making $200k and he can't figure out what they do- sound like any airline you work for?


mergers are another reason we should have a national list-- wouldn't it be nice not to give a damn about what these companies do?

 

[spinproof]

Doug's gonna end up buying NWA for US, CAL will buy UAL and DAL will be holding an empty bag.

...and the General will be caterwauling and gnashing his teeth and calling on Oberstar to destroy them all and make ATL the center of the universe!

 

[WickedPissa]

USAirways/Northwest. No furloughs. Can Mesa. Shed off other 50 seat carriers. Fly more 190 type aircraft at the majors instead. Just a thought.

 

[737 Pylt]

You know you're making fun of Breast Cancer Awareness by using that plane in your avatar, Tanker Clown?

How can ass clown think of anything....You need a brain to think. He's too busy worrying about his future with mesa because his stellar 1800+ hours over 20 years makes him about as comptetive as.......Well, nobody!:laugh:

737

 

[Mr.B]

A DL and NWA combo will be a power house. We will hit Asia, Europe, Africa, and South America---all with tons of service. Our domestic hubs will be extensive, and the feed potential to those higher yield fares for businessmen will be huge.


So, how will Airtran and Southwest look together? A corndog 717? That will be great to see.... Maybe it will serve LBB from ATL nonstop?


Bye Bye--General Lee

You know, the airline brass loves to see guys like you spinning around like a lopsided top trying to speculate about the nuts and bolts of the airline merger.....try opening up your mind and realizing this is not an airline merger, it's a money merger. Its a DEAL...just being put together to en richen a few on Wall Street. They could give a flying fudge about the "airline" and CRJs to Sao Paulo or 787s to Bakersfield. Take a deep breath and get some fresh air....we are all just widgets on a balance sheet.

Get over yourself and stop wishing your fellow pilots ill will. Todays great job is tomorrows BK and vice versa.

 

[Tanker Clown]

How can ass clown think of anything....You need a brain to think. He's too busy worrying about his future with mesa because his stellar 1800+ hours over 20 years makes him about as comptetive as.......Well, nobody!:laugh:

737

Why do you talk so much smack about Mesa? A lot of folks at your non profit airline had to go to Mesa to put food on the table because of furloughs. Some who upgraded didn't take their recall back at Delta because they were doing better at Mesa and due to the upgrade they were getting competitive for a job at SWA.

I'm sure when you guys start your furloughs a lot of your buddies will need to go back there.

 

[jke406]

I've never thought of the Air Force as a charitable organization, but anyone that pays an incompetent pilot and blowhard like Tanker Clown obviously doesn't have the bottom line in mind.

The best part is, each of us is paying this guy's salary, a large portion of which is probably being spent on gay porn and velcro mittens.

 

[Sticky]

its gonna be a blood bath for sure....

 

[737 Pylt]

I've never thought of the Air Force as a charitable organization, but anyone that pays an incompetent pilot and blowhard like Tanker Clown obviously doesn't have the bottom line in mind.

The best part is, each of us is paying this guy's salary, a large portion of which is probably being spent on gay porn and velcro mittens.

The funnier part.....Its not much of a salary! Especially when you consider his stellar airmanship behind (and under) the desk!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

The funnier part.....Its not much of a salary! Especially when you consider his stellar airmanship behind (and under) the desk!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

737

It's more than you make.:laugh:

 

[737 Pylt]

It's more than you make.:laugh:

You can only dream! Much like your pathetic career path!
Shouldn't you be sharpening pencils or polishing knee pads?:laugh: :laugh: Desk beyotch!

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

Man....we've been over this multiple times. Assuming that you are a 12 year 777 FO, I make around $20K more a year than you do. And that's before you consider I don't have to pay much income tax. Ask some other ex mil guys. It's public record, you can look it up.

Keep telling yourself you make more. I just got a 4% pay raise...how much did you get?

 

[737 Pylt]

Man....we've been over this multiple times. Assuming that you are a 12 year 777 FO, I make around $20K more a year than you do. And that's before you consider I don't have to pay much income tax. Ask some other ex mil guys. It's public record, you can look it up.

Keep telling yourself you make more. I just got a 4% pay raise...how much did you get?

I've seen your pay rates dumbass!

I bet you tell all the boys (especially the young ones) that at the local soup kitchen!

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

I've seen your pay rates dumbass!

I bet you tell all the boys (especially the young ones) that at the local soup kitchen!

737

Well then, by using simple math, you make significantly less than an AF O-5. It's a fact. So, if you think I'm visiting soup kitchens then you are a full time patron.

I realize it sucks to make less than an AF guy. When I almost got out in '01, the tables were turned. Then you guys kept taking pay cuts and not getting raises. Meanwhile, I got promoted a couple of times and kept getting annual pay raises.

I agree, it's not fair. You should make more....but then again, you have only yourself to blame for making less than an AF guy or (what used to be a joke paywise) a Southwest pilot.

You guys should grab a pair, pull your thumbs out of your mouths, and get your money back. I realize this would make your "operating loss" wider, but the General said it's cool to lose money in the winter.

 

[johnsonrod]

Well then, by using simple math, you make significantly less than an AF O-5. It's a fact. So, if you think I'm visiting soup kitchens then you are a full time patron.

I realize it sucks to make less than an AF guy. When I almost got out in '01, the tables were turned. Then you guys kept taking pay cuts and not getting raises. Meanwhile, I got promoted a couple of times and kept getting annual pay raises.

I agree, it's not fair. You should make more....but then again, you have only yourself to blame for making less than an AF guy or (what used to be a joke paywise) a Southwest pilot.

You guys should grab a pair, pull your thumbs out of your mouths, and get your money back. I realize this would make your "operating loss" wider, but the General said it's cool to lose money in the winter.

Enjoy your desk time now Clown - get your rest while you can. When you get on with SWA you'll have to get used to 20 minute turns and FO duties for the next 12 years.

 

[737 Pylt]

Well then, by using simple math, you make significantly less than an AF O-5. It's a fact. So, if you think I'm visiting soup kitchens then you are a full time patron.

I pride myself on donating my many days off a month to help out the homeless. I can only imagine how cold it must get in that trailer of yours without any help.

I realize it sucks to make less than an AF guy. When I almost got out in '01, the tables were turned. Then you guys kept taking pay cuts and not getting raises. Meanwhile, I got promoted a couple of times and kept getting annual pay raises.

I'm sure the real pilots make pretty good money. However (under the desk) people like you who are busy sharpening pencils and bringing in the mail are not making that much....

I agree, it's not fair. You should make more....but then again, you have only yourself to blame for making less than an AF guy or (what used to be a joke paywise) a Southwest pilot.

See, we can agree on something. DL pilots should get paid more. But its still more than you're making. That's what's funny.....We survived BK and still make more than tanker (ass) clown. What's even funnier, is that this forum is the closest you'll come to working for either carrier!

You guys should grab a pair,

I'm sure in your spare time, you're used to grabbing a pair,:blush: but that's for you and your probation officer to discuss!

pull your thumbs out of your mouths, and get your money back.

I'm sure you're used to pulling things out of your mouth too, :blush: :blush: but that's between you and your therapist!

I realize this would make your "operating loss" wider, but the General said it's cool to lose money in the winter.

That's between you and the General, who you seem to have quite the infatuation with. More talk for you and your therapist, maybe??

737

 

[hindsight2020]

I wouldn't call mil payscales soup kitchen wages. You may top out higher at an airline, but when you look at the median wage, mil pay blows civilian compensation out of the water. Even major airline new-hire wage is a paycut from 2LT pay (I'm including BAH and the taxfree perks) for Christ sake. Now that is not to say that it is a way simpler job to work for an airline than live under the mounds of BS that entails attempting to fly in the military, but on a pay argument I rather get paid well for 20 years than not get paid sh%t for 10 to get paid well for one to start over again and get paid sh%t for another 10. This is the problem with this industry. People say don't look at first-year pay, but the reality is everybody is so fixiated on widebody CA pay that they're willing to put up with decades of crappy pay for a job in the "away from home a lot" category. All my friends in engineering hate their life at work and feel stuck because you can't use the degree for anything else. Granted. But when I explain the problem that arises out of the aforementioned furloughs and the lateral career problem in flying, they look at me like I'm from Mars. It is something everybody takes for granted except f$cking pilots. It's retarded.

2008-09 will be an interesting couple of years. Furloughs will occur at the majors, and a lot of mil folks are going to freeze and not bail, but the AF is gonna start pushing folks out with the changing administration.

Flying is just like acting, bunch of people vesting their livelihood on the possibility they can replicate the experiences of the very few timing-lucky = sh$tty career for the median. No stability and a workforce who's willing to do it for free. ugh.