AMR Proposal Highlights

[COpilot]

" That's still better than what US Air or United pays..."

So, it's better to only be pissed upon... that shat upon.

Right?

"Substantiation by an accredited absence management vendor"...
We don't have language like that in our agreement.

 

[atpcliff]

It seems like they have not taken the ATP rule into affect. How will the lower-paid regionals be able to attract new FOs who already have an ATP...sounds like it will take a LARGE number of new regional pilots to do all of this flying!

cliff
HSV

 

[scoreboardII]

sounds like it will take a LARGE number of new regional pilots to do all of this flying!

cliff
HSV

You're right, and they will be called furloughed mainline pilots...

That preferential interview recommendation, who thinks we are in an economy that is hiring loads of mainline pilots?

This is the first wave of the future for mainline pay and work rules. Get it right guys, either take the quality of life and sucky pay or be ready to work your butt off still making sub wages.

That 60% pay for sick ought to be ASAP'd right now, it pressures a pilot to fly sick.

35 day of vacation maximum. Wow, so sad.

 

[atpcliff]

And all of the mainline pilots will need an ATP, also.

cliff
HSV

 

[ackattacker]

It seems like they have not taken the ATP rule into affect. How will the lower-paid regionals be able to attract new FOs who already have an ATP...sounds like it will take a LARGE number of new regional pilots to do all of this flying!

cliff
HSV

Who says there will be more flying? They will park a bunch 50 seat RJ's putting thousand of pilots on the street. Every 2 RJ's they park they put on one 86 seat "super RJ", preferably at a new whip-saw carrier so that everybody starts at year 1 pay.

 

[NoJoy]

It may be better to end the company than to let the 88 seater get into the hands of the teenagers...just sayin.

You can bet that JO is licking his chops about another potential code share partner-

 

[Sy-bill]

400 furloughs is about 4% of the pilots. With PBS they will roughly have 18% more pilots than will be needed.

1500+ furloughs is what is on the horizon. Fortunately retirements start back up in another 10 months.

 

[goahead]

You can bet that JO is licking his chops about another potential code share partner-

Not near as much as GoJet is....very sad

 

[ALGFLYR]

Uh..Yeah.

That's EXACTLY what I was trying to get across.

( Once again we see just how sharp pilots are when it comes to abstract thought. )



YKW

So which airline went into BK and the pilots came out with a pay raise and improved contract provisions?? I'm sure the AA pilots would like to study how they did it...

 

[Flyby1206]

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[CaribPilot]

I totally just vomited all over my laptop, and this plastic hotel desk that is painted to look like wood....totally.

 

[PCL_128]

- 84 Seat RJ's outsourced.

Actually, it was 86 seats. Of course, you missed the part about only allowing 15 of them, and it was only done because it was necessary in order to achieve the holding company scope, which was far more important. We had none prior to this CBA, and SWA would have been able to simply take our assets and toss us aside if we didn't have it. Kind of an important item.

- Sick time re-payed into sick bank at 66% after a number of events.

Well, that's just a gross distortion. Sick time always pays at 100% at AirTran, no matter how many events you have. If you get over 5 events in a year, then your accrual reduces to 4 hours from 6 until an event drops off, but if you have 150 hours of sick time, you can use all of it at 100% pay, even if you have dozens of events. The company is also prohibited from asking for a doctor's note or instituting any sort of sick policy. Definitely not comparable to AMR's draconian proposal.

 

[outerlimits]

Actually, it was 86 seats. Of course, you missed the part about only allowing 15 of them, and it was only done because it was necessary in order to achieve the holding company scope, which was far more important. We had none prior to this CBA, and SWA would have been able to simply take our assets and toss us aside if we didn't have it. Kind of an important item.



Well, that's just a gross distortion. Sick time always pays at 100% at AirTran, no matter how many events you have. If you get over 5 events in a year, then your accrual reduces to 4 hours from 6 until an event drops off, but if you have 150 hours of sick time, you can use all of it at 100% pay, even if you have dozens of events. The company is also prohibited from asking for a doctor's note or instituting any sort of sick policy. Definitely not comparable to AMR's draconian proposal.

PLC, Thanks,


Thanks for all your hard work at ALPA. It is guys like you that make ALPA the machine it is.

You make me proud to wear the pin.

 

[Abernathy]

Did I read correctly that AMR's proposal included getting rid of a monthly guarantee for line holders? If so, the argument can be made that this violates labor laws unless they then agreed to pay the pilots an hourly rate for all time on duty not just behind the yoke.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Did I read correctly that AMR's proposal included getting rid of a monthly guarantee for line holders? If so, the argument can be made that this violates labor laws unless they then agreed to pay the pilots an hourly rate for all time on duty not just behind the yoke.

You can make that argument...but you would be wrong..