AMR Merger will erode Pilot Retirement Jobs

[Spinn555]

"Do you have any turbojet time?" says the Captain on the big airline hiring board.

"No, I have 4,500 of turbine time in a turbo prop though," says the pilot applicant.

"Oh, I'm sorry. We are looking for those that have turbojet time in large aircraft. Props dont count."

Quit relaxing scope, then forcing the younger pilots to fly large jets!

 

[shon7]

what about all the free market arguments that are heard here so often.
The regionals only pay that low because there is a ready and willing pool of applicants to accept that level of pay.

 

[waveflyer]

Were you hired on directly from CFI to a major? The ONLY people to blame for the regionals, and I mean ONLY ones, are the ones that gave up scope. Some of it was given in bankruptcy with no choice, but there is also some given up for pensions. I know I don't want these regional jets here. I want them at mainline. Give me one thing I can do about it as a regional pilot. Am I suppose to quit and say this isn't right and hope like hell a major will hire me without any recency? How about strike like Comair to get better wages? That seemed to work well...

This^^^^

 

[waveflyer]

"Do you have any turbojet time?" says the Captain on the big airline hiring board.

"No, I have 4,500 of turbine time in a turbo prop though," says the pilot applicant.

"Oh, I'm sorry. We are looking for those that have turbojet time in large aircraft. Props dont count."

Quit relaxing scope, then forcing the younger pilots to fly large jets!

And this^^^

 

[waveflyer]

Tail hook- you don't get it and least respectable refuse responsibility for what legacy pilots created and management took advantage of. No regional pilot ever got a vote on scope.
As for the free market quip- the "free market" is so compromised by regulation, recency, seniority, and contracts, that to call it a 100% free market is truly ignorant. Have you seen Comair? The one regional that attempted to stand up for higher wages has been downsized to a fraction of itself- the regionals are an unrelenting whipsaw who's only purpose is to divide the pilots, divide our career, and play each company against the next- Comair gets too strong, and a little Saab operator named Chautauqua gets the new contracts and built up to the Rupublic we have today-
This is all controlled by mainline carriers guaranteeing profits to shell companies who will help them gut our profession.
It's a diabolical mainline mgmt plan- and one that we should all fight against- but believe me- as the poster I quoted above said- if legacy pilots signed off on outsourcing the 737/320 sized jets- that would just extend and divide the career more- and the "majors" would make 737/320 time the defacto competitive mins-

I could go on a lot longer- but from your posts- you won't understand

 

[bri5150]

Tail hook- you don't get it and least respectable refuse responsibility for what legacy pilots created and management took advantage of. No regional pilot ever got a vote on scope.
As for the free market quip- the "free market" is so compromised by regulation, recency, seniority, and contracts, that to call it a 100% free market is truly ignorant. Have you seen Comair? The one regional that attempted to stand up for higher wages has been downsized to a fraction of itself- the regionals are an unrelenting whipsaw who's only purpose is to divide the pilots, divide our career, and play each company against the next- Comair gets too strong, and a little Saab operator named Chautauqua gets the new contracts and built up to the Rupublic we have today-
This is all controlled by mainline carriers guaranteeing profits to shell companies who will help them gut our profession.
It's a diabolical mainline mgmt plan- and one that we should all fight against- but believe me- as the poster I quoted above said- if legacy pilots signed off on outsourcing the 737/320 sized jets- that would just extend and divide the career more- and the "majors" would make 737/320 time the defacto competitive mins-

I could go on a lot longer- but from your posts- you won't understand

And this^^^

It will be our fault if the 737s get outsourced to us because we are cheaper. We should all just quit if the majors relax scope more. That would really show them.

 

[Dornier 335]

The regionals only pay that low because there is a ready and willing pool of applicants to accept that level of pay.

"Do you have any turbojet time?" says the Captain on the big airline hiring board.

"No, I have 4,500 of turbine time in a turbo prop though," says the pilot applicant.

"Oh, I'm sorry. We are looking for those that have turbojet time in [large] aircraft. Props dont count."

So, what were are those RJ pilots supposed to do to become competitive for the majors?

 

[Citjok]

This is classic. Pilots fighting between themselves.The management types that are on this site must be having a good laugh. What a pity.

 

[Fubijaakr]

So, what were are those RJ pilots supposed to do to become competitive for the majors?

Competitiveness is entirely dependent on the supply of pilots available. If the mainlines dumped the RJ operators and replaced them with 737s in those markets, turboprop time would be the qualification you needed to get hired.

 

[JetMonkey]

373 Booya!

 

[SWA Bubba]

373 Booya!

Hmmm... you SEEM to be on the wrong thread.

(Although, one can never have too many geezer meters!)

Hey, Fubi, what's your avatar now? It looks kinda' like a radioactive hoohaw. I must be looking at it wrong.

Bubba

 

[Fubijaakr]

I guess no one here is a Lord of the Rings fan....

 

[Spinn555]

Hey, Fubi, what's your avatar now? It looks kinda' like a radioactive hoohaw. I must be looking at it wrong.

Bubba

I agree. If that is a picture of somewhere on your girlfriend, she should have an OB/GYN look at that.

 

[waveflyer]

Competitiveness is entirely dependent on the supply of pilots available. If the mainlines dumped the RJ operators and replaced them with 737s in those markets, turboprop time would be the qualification you needed to get hired.

This is a guy who gets it-

Good post- far and away- most pilots at regionals fly whatever plane they have to fly to get to the majors
I know it's LOTR- but it still looks like a 'radio-active hoohaw'
(could be fun....once:beer::nuts: )

 

[Golden Falcon]

As a former "tail-hooker" myself, I would stipulate that when the "Eagles" and "Expresses" and the like started to happen, mid eighties..if the major pilot groups had pushed the issue to staple the regional partners to their seniority lists, none of this would have happened....but nooooo hell we couldn't even get jumpseats on the "big boys"...too busy looking after themselves...and it came back to bite them didnt it....you made the bed, sleep in it...stop whingeing about scope...you deserve it...

 

[tailhookah]

Read my posts... I never said I gave up the scope, it happend well before my watch started. I have said that I'm tired of you regional/feeder guys whining about major jobs. Get in line and take a number. And when you get here and fly with me don't look around w/ that $hit eating grin and tell me how much greater it is than Mesa... guess what? It used to be much, much better than Mesa.

Guys like you have diluted the mentality at the majors. It used to be much better. Guys like you are happy w/ the status quo and don't want to fight for higher wages and vote for your future. You are all worried about being furloughed and wont fight for your future.

I come on this board for the first time in months and have to hear you guys whine about not getting into the majors due to American and USair possibly getting together.

You are part of the problem... your 70 and 90 seaters flying OUR routes... it's life and we deal w/ it on the top. But to hear one of you complain about it???? Well it just shows me how naive you "feeder" guys are... and how I am tired of your new big shiny jet syndrome and "this is so much better than Mesa" attitude.

Don't worry... I'll time out in 22 years. Until then...

Tail

 

[waveflyer]

Good stuff there super star- I love getting lectured about airline life from some mid-40's self-entitled military brat with half my qualifications and accomplishments. Get in line? What are the chances most civilian pilots were way more qualified for the job than you were?
Now I respect our mil pilots and proud of your service- but one of the main reasons major airlines have voted scope away is because they didn't want a mainline pay rate as low as the RJ would command bc they didn't want to subject the self titled military sky gods to it- now bc of that mentality, you have those rates anyway.
You're a fool hookah and just don't get that YOU are the problem, not the pilots you so freely berate-

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Hah the "Us vs. Them" between the main line and the regionals, what a wonderful gift we as pilots have given to management, a gift that keeps on giving.

 

[scoreboardII]

I was wondering how long it would take for blame to shift to military pilots.

Well done.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Hah the "Us vs. Them" between the main line and the regionals, what a wonderful gift we as pilots have given to management, a gift that keeps on giving.

Just like " The Clap "