American recall

[AAflyer]

Rumor is they are parking the A300, but what would I know they laid me off 3 years ago with 8 years senority...

They are not. They have roughly 7 which are being shipped to Tulsa for maintenance and to clean them up for Winter. There is a lull in the schedule during the fall, before the winter schedule takes place with increased Tropical flying.

There was not enough extra tarmac in JFK or MIA to let the birds sit, so they went to TUL.

They do have a schdeuled lease termination, however the last one will not leave till around 2012. We currently have 28 available. 7 are unassigned. The total bid lines are down -6 (for all A300) in Oct.

They carry a tremendous amount cargo for us in the caribbean and central america. They will keep until they can replace the lift.

AAflyer

P.S. They actually posted some F/O vacancies on the 300 for a Nov start date. IN talking to the LGA planner, he said they will have additional flying on the A300 this winter.

 

[100 c.i.]

Sorry AAflyer my data was off. I appreciate your good attitude, but when the same company that pulled my group out of captain class and within two years through us on the street its hard not to believe the bad news....

 

[AAflyer]

Sorry AAflyer my data was off. I appreciate your good attitude, but when the same company that pulled my group out of captain class and within two years through us on the street its hard not to believe the bad news....

Sorry for what you went through, AA73, myself and a few others feel you were treated poorly. I am sorry for that.

I think this site can become something "good" again. If we all chip in.

AAflyer

P.S. Thanks for YOUR good attitude.

 

[I Hate Freight]

I'm going to guess a few late this fall. Followed by a slow to moderate (10-25 per month) starting in the spring. I think they will try and grow Eagle as much as possible. Heard another rumor from an AA guy that Eagle had a hard time filling a new hire class. Anyone??

So desperate are we that Eagle has resorted to hiring 250-hour pilots. I just met one. Also met a 600 hour wonder last month that put sticky notes (crib sheets) all over the cockpit. We are losing 25-40 pilots per month.

IHF

 

[Rik717pilot]

Ooohh Wilbur!

 

[CSY Mon]

We are losing 25-40 pilots per month.

Going where..?

 

[pgcfii2002]

Yeah...where the heck are they going?

 

[labbats]

Corporate, Skywest, Mesa street captains, Republic/Chatauqua, and out of aviation altogether.

This sums up about 10 that I know of. You'd be surprised how many new hires see what the schedules, pay and lifestyle of the airlines have become and quickly leave it outright.

 

[I Hate Freight]

I don't have a clue as to where they are going guys, but my seniority number has gone up SEVENTY numbers in the past four months and that's just from the guys quitting above me, not below me. The C/P told me that we had eight quit in August in our domicile alone, one of seven. This company is hemorrhaging pilots and they cannot replace them fast enough. Classes are only half full. Sixteen in the last class and they wanted thirty. Twelve in the class before that.

 

[wannaBrich]

Eagle is losing a lot of pilots, FO's going to other regionals for quicker upgrade and Captains (mostly Saab it seems) going to Southwest, JetBlue, Continental, and UPS and Fedex among others. I personally know of seven who have gone to Southwest in the last 4 months

I was just at the training center and the instructor was commenting on how many more instructors were being hired. The amount would seem to surpass the amount to cover the 10 additional Saabs coming back online and the attrition. I have pulled a couple out of the desert myself so this is not a rumor. Lines in DFW are increasing for the Saab. But the jets are mostly maxxed out on flying and since there are no additional RJ's being announced one would have to assume there maybe some direction coming down from AMR management to expect a lot of additional training cycles. Why? Who knows.

 

[aa73]

Hello gents, good thread. I've heard the same rumors regarding recalls coming up, but that's all they are - rumors. Nobody from the union or the Co can confirm their validity. I promise that I will post stuff as I hear it let's keep our fingers crossed for some good news!

73

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

I still have the SAAB 2000 hat from the dog and pony show

AA:

I toured the SAAB 2000 in SJU around 1994 - 1995. It was nice, but I was more impressed with the ATR-42 with the engines and props from the Super 72 model. The SAAB just doesn't have the room, OHB space or cargo capacity for the Caribbean that the ATR does and SJU is still all props.

Center Pork IV really blue it when they bought the ATR without APUs, deciding they could run the right engine with the prop brake on. That didn't work since the galley door is on the right side and the quick turn factor. The ramp, as most airlines, is inconsistant in getting ground air and electic hooked up and for a 25 minute out-station turn....forget about it!

Labbats, I have heard the SAAbs being taken out of storage rumor. I flew at Eagle 9 years ago. I think a big mistake we made back then was not buying the SAAB 2000. I am sure as we enter Sec 6 there will be many more rumors abound.

Best,
AAflyer

 

[AA717driver]

Keep in mind, Eagle will have to start hiring well ahead of recalls at AA to replace the flowback CA's who will be leaving.

It should be no wonder that AE is having trouble attracting people. They have all the warm-fuzzies of AMR with the pay and bennies of a commuter.

AMR's corporate culture is a relic of the '80's--the 1880's! As I've said before, they sit at Centerpork and wonder why SWA is so successful but the answer is in the corporate culture which, at SWA, is the antithesis of AMR.

The Emperor Draco must be smiling somewhere when he gazes upon AMR... TC

 

[AAflyer]

AA:

I toured the SAAB 2000 in SJU around 1994 - 1995. It was nice, but I was more impressed with the ATR-42 with the engines and props from the Super 72 model. The SAAB just doesn't have the room, OHB space or cargo capacity for the Caribbean that the ATR does and SJU is still all props.

Center Pork IV really blue it when they bought the ATR without APUs, deciding they could run the right engine with the prop brake on. That didn't work since the galley door is on the right side and the quick turn factor. The ramp, as most airlines, is inconsistant in getting ground air and electic hooked up and for a 25 minute out-station turn....forget about it!

Good point Jeff,

I think the ATR 72 is an excellent plane, however I thought for a while we had more SAABs, and it would be an easier transition. I also heard we would have been one the lauch customers and the cost would have been a "steal".

I think we will see a shift back to some turboprop flying. Have you seen the new Q400. WOW!

Drop me a note, did you ever hear anything? Hope the family is doing well.

100 ci,

I found a little more information for you on A300. I missed the fact that the A300 (not sure if all of them) had the smae engine as the one that a catostraphic failure in LAX, apparently there are some ADs out now, and that may be another reason they headed out ot TUL for a few months.


Take Care Guys,

AAflyer

 

[AAflyer]

AA:

I toured the SAAB 2000 in SJU around 1994 - 1995. It was nice, but I was more impressed with the ATR-42 with the engines and props from the Super 72 model. The SAAB just doesn't have the room, OHB space or cargo capacity for the Caribbean that the ATR does and SJU is still all props.

Center Pork IV really blue it when they bought the ATR without APUs, deciding they could run the right engine with the prop brake on. That didn't work since the galley door is on the right side and the quick turn factor. The ramp, as most airlines, is inconsistant in getting ground air and electic hooked up and for a 25 minute out-station turn....forget about it!

Good point Jeff,

I think the ATR 72 is an excellent plane, however I thought for a while we had more SAABs, and it would be an easier transition. I also heard we would have been one of the launch customers and the cost would have been a "steal".

I think we will see a shift back to some turboprop flying. Have you seen the new Q400. WOW!

Drop me a note, did you ever hear anything? Hope the family is doing well.

100 ci,

I found a little more information for you on A300. I missed the fact that the A300 (not sure if all of them) had the smae engine as the one that a catostraphic failure in LAX, apparently there are some ADs out now, and that may be another reason they are headed out ot TUL for a few months.


Take Care Guys,

AAflyer

 

[100 c.i.]

Keep in mind there is still the issue of the 19 TWA 757's that are soon to disappear. Unless there's a plan to perhaps drag some planes from the boneyard, the overall loss of airframes reduces the number of required pilots and conseqently affects the recall rumor. Hope I'am wrong and have been many times, but I believe it when I get the "CALL"..

 

[amcnd]

Eagle won't hire in anticipation of AA recalls they will withhold the flowbacks for the 6 months as they start to ramp up training>> We have seen this happen before at Eagle.. Nothing has changed!!!

 

[AAflyer]

Keep in mind there is still the issue of the 19 TWA 757's that are soon to disappear. Unless there's a plan to perhaps drag some planes from the boneyard, the overall loss of airframes reduces the number of required pilots and conseqently affects the recall rumor. Hope I'am wrong and have been many times, but I believe it when I get the "CALL"..

100,

They have 20 S80s that can be yanked from their parking spot. Some have been taken apart, however there are around 20 in short term storage. We also are still retiring a lot of guys.

74 bailed in August alone. That was a number given to us in the middle of the month. Not sure what the number was for Sept.


I am not preaching we weill recall, just giving inofmoration that I have and responses to comments I have heard before.

AA

 

[aa73]

.... and not just early retirements, but we lost 37 junior guys last year due to - RESIGNATIONS!

Folks, they can only shrink so much before they start losing major market share. I think they're pretty close to that point.

73

 

[PHXFLYR]

Sellingdirt, everyone on the entry level is having trouble finding qualified pilots. There is a growing pilot shortage in the entry-level jobs. Company have redefined their hiring minimums Comm., MEL, Inst and you can apply. The recalls by DAL, NWA, AA, and UAL will accelerate the turnover in the lower end of the business. This will create more flying jobs in an already tight market. This all leads up to the 2007-hiring boom.

Did you ever think that if you guys at "the lower end of the business" offered something that approximated a decent wage and quality of life that maybe you would't lose pilots to other carriers in the first place? Just wondering...


PHXFLYR