American in the news

[SLUF4]

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Pi...ency_Landing_Dallas-Fort_Worth-131311394.html

 

[Bringupthebird]

Starving the media of red meat?! Someone should be ashamed!!

 

[pilotgolfer]

There has got to be more to the story???

 

[LAZYB]

Missing crew meals.

 

[labbats]

double post....

 

[labbats]

American Airlines is training all of its pilots in an effort to avoid a repeat of a pilot's mistake that prompted an emergency landing at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport in April.

Timely news. :laugh:

 

[BentOver]

Is American training their pilots how to safely land within the first attempt or maybe the second?? All while handling a pressurization problem under 10,000 ft...

If they had an inflight fire on final would they ask for some 360's also, ya know, to figure out the problem?

 

[nimtz]

Nice gut and skewed tie Denny Kelly aviation safety expert. What a stellar image of professional appearance! I bet CR Smith would of hired you on the spot to fly a Condor.

 

[mesaba13]

Was it a 737 -300? A similiar issue caused the crash of an aircraft overseas (Air Helios 522). MX had repositioned a "dusty" Switch (one that is rarely moved) in the wrong position and the crew didn't put the witch back to AUTO and got a series of warnings in the climb. It sounds like this aural warning is one that is similiar or the same as a configuration warning. This crew was on the radio with their mx controllers and couldn't figure it out. They were also getting other warnings on some cooling systems because of incorrect airlfow rates.

It may be possible that the AA crew had a bunch of messages and I would think one should not land if you think you are getting configuration warnings.

 

[pilotgolfer]

Was it a 737 -300? A similiar issue caused the crash of an aircraft overseas (Air Helios 522). MX had repositioned a "dusty" Switch (one that is rarely moved) in the wrong position and the crew didn't put the witch back to AUTO and got a series of warnings in the climb. It sounds like this aural warning is one that is similiar or the same as a configuration warning. This crew was on the radio with their mx controllers and couldn't figure it out. They were also getting other warnings on some cooling systems because of incorrect airlfow rates.

It may be possible that the AA crew had a bunch of messages and I would think one should not land if you think you are getting configuration warnings.

AA only has the NGs...no 300s that I know of. Are you talking about the crash over in Larnaca? The crash in LCA was a pressurization problem. The warning horn for High Cabin Altitude is the same as the takeoff warning horn. I think they were trouble shooting why the T/O warning harn was going off as they climbed unpressurized and eventually blacked out.

That became a required briefing item at the place I fly now.

 

[flythere]

ongoing problem with identifying gear or pressurization! Boeing used the same horn for the landing gear warning horn and for the pressurization system. Intermittant vs steady, on the ground vs in the air!

The helios crash was a classic if I remember right, the pressurization switch was placed in the manual mode by mx and never returned to auto. Crew departed and never noticed the switch was not in correct position. Horn goes off as airplane climbs, crew never noticed the cabin failing to pressurize, eventually they all pass out.

Boeing started installing lights on the dashboard; configuration or pressurization, that was over 2 years ago, lights are still not active!

My oufit has modified checklists to catch this, not to mention a pre-departure brief on the first crew flight of the day!!

That horn can be very distracting in the busy terminal environment.

 

[airplane wizard]

Why did they(AA) have to back to land? Couldn't the switch be moved to "auto" in flight and the cabin would then pressurize ?

 

[Bringupthebird]

Maybe they were climbing and the high cabin altitude horn came on followed shortly by the rubber jungle. Gotta go back and face the music, but keep flying the airplane for crying out loud. Sure you need to be sensitive to ears. but most folks started out learning how to make approaches in unpressurized airplanes.

 

[flythere]

It appears they didn't know why the horn was going off! Well, they knew it was a pressurization problem, but from the sounds of the tower tape they didn't understand what was happening. Also the comment from the company about training or something leads one to believe they didn't fully understand. Since it was handled internally, we'll probably never know!!

The other poster had a good point, if the rubber jungle deployed, they no choice but to turn around!!

 

[IBNAV8R]

Really?? An emergency?? Was an emergency declared or was it just a return to field? High on approach? OK, you F'ed up the approach, do a 360 - not an emergency. Need another 360? You REALLY stepped on it but still not an emergency.

Now it sounds like all-knowing media might be gunning for the ASAP program - all for a single switch out of position (yeah, they shoulda caught it) and a slow news day.

 

[airplane wizard]

What is the rubber jungle?

 

[J.Otto]

What is the rubber jungle?

All the O2 masks drop in the cabin.

 

[igneousy2]

I WANT MY 5 MINUTES BACK!

Except for missing the switch position...sounds like they did a pretty good job to me.

 

[Jetjockey]

What is the rubber jungle?

And you call yourself an airplane wizard?

j/k

 

[vv100]

I WANT MY 5 MINUTES BACK!

Except for missing the switch position...sounds like they did a pretty good job to me.

Except for missing the airport TWICE.

Weak Dicks