American and USAirways enter into nondisclosre agreement!

[abefly]

Once again you didn't address the part that says we would have to ratify a contract between us for the list to be used.

You do realize that prior to any SLI at American there has to be a joint CBA. That Joint cba between American and US Air will trigger the transition agreement and the NIC is part of the agreement.

It will be the NIC and the AA list goign to the SLI. And it is coming sooner than you think.

I hope you are prepared for a title wave of west pilots coming ahead of you. Have you seen how senior of a base Phoenix is? Our most junior pilot can hold captain out East. Looks like years of stagnation for the east. Well deserved.

 

[dollacrackho]

What's a title wave? If this merger doesn't happen how long will it take before the new hires (who really don't care that much about the usapians quest to slay the nic and are much more concerned about horrid pay rates and getting a contract ) outnumber the people that would rather burn this place to the ground than accept the nic.

 

[The Drizzle]

What's a title wave? If this merger doesn't happen how long will it take before the new hires (who really don't care that much about the usapians quest to slay the nic and are much more concerned about horrid pay rates and getting a contract ) outnumber the people that would rather burn this place to the ground than accept the nic.

A few years.

 

[Flybywire44]

You do realize that prior to any SLI at American there has to be a joint CBA. That Joint cba between American and US Air will trigger the transition agreement and the NIC is part of the agreement.

It will be the NIC and the AA list goign to the SLI. And it is coming sooner than you think.

I hope you are prepared for a title wave of west pilots coming ahead of you. Have you seen how senior of a base Phoenix is? Our most junior pilot can hold captain out East. Looks like years of stagnation for the east. Well deserved.

Stagnation for years? Do you know that the APA/US Airways Termsheet will expand outsourced regional aircraft to 325 airframs with 70 seats and 308 airframes with 86 seats? The current term sheet will outsource 15,000 additional seats—THIS WILL RESULT IN STAGNATION. Stop spewing your position and pay attention to what mutually threatens and benefits all of us as a whole.

East and West pilots will benefit mutually from AA/East/West retirements and we should all start thinking this way. East and West have a group to benefit from flying 787s, 777s and a350s under higher pay with better QOL. Look at Delta. Everything West and East suffered could be made whole in the potential of this merger.

Nothing seniority related will be triggered per say at the date of JCBA, but the clock will count down to the 24 month limit, ie. "due date" on when the unions and/or arbitrators must put the new seniority list into effect.

If NIC is awarded than APA and East may purposely delay the seniority list until the 24 month term sheet agreed to by APA and US Airways limit.

I strongly believe there will be at least 12-24 months of upgrades and retirements on the East side before West, East and AA intigrate.

We all should focus on the positive elements of this merger and watch Scope/Codeshare negotiations. Delta is insourcing and shirking their regional fleet from 583 aircraft to 450 planes. Delta will only have 33,430 physical seats in their regional fleet by 2017. Meanwhile LCC/AMR are going to grow regional flying from 580 airframes to 660 planes. This growth will bring merged American outsourced regional flying to 47,698 physical seats.

Stagnation will come from the 80 a321's worth of outsourced flying—open your eyes.

 

[The Drizzle]

Spot on Flybywire, but it will likely fall on deaf ears.

 

[Whine Lover]

Look...

Logic, common sense, facts, and hard math, are not going to help matters here.

Can't we just get back to denial, airline bashing, personal attacks, and peacock struts?

Thanks.

Whine

 

[Bringupthebird]

Stagnation will come from the 80 a321's worth of outsourced flying—open your eyes.

Nope, you still don't get it. There won't be any outsourcing of these aircraft, since AA will negotiate a sufficiently low pay rate on them to leave them in-house.

They may have a problem attracting pilots from the regionals who will be reluctant to take the pay cut to come to US/AA but that's a risk I'm sure they are willing to take.

 

[Flyby1206]

Nope, you still don't get it. There won't be any outsourcing of these aircraft, since AA will negotiate a sufficiently low pay rate on them to leave them in-house.

They may have a problem attracting pilots from the regionals who will be reluctant to take the pay cut to come to US/AA but that's a risk I'm sure they are willing to take.

You're kidding right?

 

[Flybywire44]

Nope, you still don't get it. There won't be any outsourcing of these aircraft, since AA will negotiate a sufficiently low pay rate on them to leave them in-house.

They may have a problem attracting pilots from the regionals who will be reluctant to take the pay cut to come to US/AA but that's a risk I'm sure they are willing to take.

Your are correct that a B-Scale will be put into effect for the 195/190, but the USAPA Termsheet Q&A document shows that 80 a321's worth of additional flying will also be outsourced on top of current regional flying.

Please be sure you read the Termsheet Q&A.

Does anyone have a copy of the US Airways termsheet?

 

[xjhawk]

Nope, you still don't get it. There won't be any outsourcing of these aircraft, since AA will negotiate a sufficiently low pay rate on them to leave them in-house.

They may have a problem attracting pilots from the regionals who will be reluctant to take the pay cut to come to US/AA but that's a risk I'm sure they are willing to take.

You are obviously do not even have a clue on what is happening on the regional level. Anyone working at a Delta connection carrier is facing downgrades and furloughs and is looking at leaving. Pinnacle had almost 3000 pilots who are now facing a possible fleet of 41-100 aircraft and will be lucky to have any quality of life with the work rules they are proposing. 90% of us want to leave. Do I even need to mention the 600 at Comair? If the Agreement in Principle at United/Continental is ANYTHING like the Delta contract-expect a reduction in regional flying on the United side and a slight increase in scope on the CO side to make a hopefully lower number of RJ's in their system-once again forcing job loss at the regional level. So pull your head out of your ass and see that scope is a huge issue in this proposed merger. Life is so bad at Pinnacle that there are hundreds if not a couple thousand who will be clawing at a "B" scale job.