American and USAirways enter into nondisclosre agreement!

[charlie2]

So why didn't you expose MCDU's lie about him being a rep?

He is a USAPA rep.

 

[abefly]

So tell me Andy R how many of does senior AAA pilots would be around with a 7 year fence. DOH with the proper restrictions is a much better deal and hopefully all those furloughed AMR pilots gets put in front of your fat ass.

M

MCDU, how is it you feel it is ok for Furloughed East pilots to be placed senior to Active West pilots at the time of the merger when you ( in the Delta thread state)

did all those pilots get stapled. They brought no job to the merger. How can that be possible placing someone that is not currently working in front of working pilots. That is just wrong.

M

Which is it?

The NIC is the only list at US Airways. There will be no 3 way, No redo, no pay raise for any of US until you accept that.

Or until APA Crams the NIC and anything else they want down your throat.

Good day.

 

[Carl S.]

APA will just inherit the Nic. list just like USAPA did. The risk of a DFR is theirs just as USAPA has faced since it was still born in 2008. Legal obligations do not go away when the name changes. The Civil War Confederate Bond analogy is so wrong, I do not know were to start....


Mark

 

[Flyby1206]

APA will just inherit the Nic. list just like USAPA did. The risk of a DFR is theirs just as USAPA has faced since it was still born in 2008. Legal obligations do not go away when the name changes. The Civil War Confederate Bond analogy is so wrong, I do not know were to start....


Mark

How would the APA be responsible for DFR of USAPA pilots? They werent responsible for TWA pilots.

 

[Turtle21]

M-B made that question moot. It's a matter of law....

M-B is a matter of law. True. It provides for USAPA and APA to agree on an integrated seniority list (should there be a merger). AOL has no participation under M-B, but they can flood the message boards with posts cackling about "integrity matters", etc. etc. and when it's over they can sue everyone for everything, and throw more good money after bad.

 

[scoreboardII]

I'm still confused how you can admit you signed an NDA?

 

[General Lee]

I don't understand why they don't understand that the TA says that any new list will become effective when a contract is ratified. If we merge with AA than how could AWA/US Airways ratify a contract? No Pvt. Lee I don't understand your "divorce" comparison probably because I lived in many states during my military/airline career and have heard crazy stories from friends about the differant laws about getting divorced. Some states require both parties to agree to a divorce or it doesn't happen just like both of us would have to agree to a contract for the nic to happen and it wont. Where the heck is Cactusboy53?

Hi. The East wheenies signed up for BINDING arbitration. It will follow them. If you were to get divorced, and your wife was awarded the house, you can't just say it never happened and then move back in. Figure it out yet? Keep running Easties, it will catch up to you eventually.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flybywire44]

Hi. The East wheenies signed up for BINDING arbitration. It will follow them. If you were to get divorced, and your wife was awarded the house, you can't just say it never happened and then move back in. Figure it out yet? Keep running Easties, it will catch up to you eventually.



Bye Bye---General Lee

I enjoy watching all these predictions—many people are going to discover that they have a foot in mouth disorder.

 

[Carl S.]

If anyone finds a way out of a binding arbitration and still remain a viable entity, you will have created the greatest loophole in corporations in the last 100 years!!!! East pilots can not even agree on an MOU, think that they can craft an escape out of the NIC.? Nothing goes away without a hybrid DFR facing the surviving company and CBA over the AAA/AWA merger. AMR/LCC has not even gotten going yet to ponder about...

 

[charlie2]

Hi. The East wheenies signed up for BINDING arbitration. It will follow them. If you were to get divorced, and your wife was awarded the house, you can't just say it never happened and then move back in. Figure it out yet? Keep running Easties, it will catch up to you eventually.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Once again you didn't address the part that says we would have to ratify a contract between us for the list to be used.

 

[abefly]

Once again you didn't address the part that says we would have to ratify a contract between us for the list to be used.

You do realize that prior to any SLI at American there has to be a joint CBA. That Joint cba between American and US Air will trigger the transition agreement and the NIC is part of the agreement.

It will be the NIC and the AA list goign to the SLI. And it is coming sooner than you think.

I hope you are prepared for a title wave of west pilots coming ahead of you. Have you seen how senior of a base Phoenix is? Our most junior pilot can hold captain out East. Looks like years of stagnation for the east. Well deserved.

 

[dollacrackho]

What's a title wave? If this merger doesn't happen how long will it take before the new hires (who really don't care that much about the usapians quest to slay the nic and are much more concerned about horrid pay rates and getting a contract ) outnumber the people that would rather burn this place to the ground than accept the nic.

 

[The Drizzle]

What's a title wave? If this merger doesn't happen how long will it take before the new hires (who really don't care that much about the usapians quest to slay the nic and are much more concerned about horrid pay rates and getting a contract ) outnumber the people that would rather burn this place to the ground than accept the nic.

A few years.

 

[Flybywire44]

You do realize that prior to any SLI at American there has to be a joint CBA. That Joint cba between American and US Air will trigger the transition agreement and the NIC is part of the agreement.

It will be the NIC and the AA list goign to the SLI. And it is coming sooner than you think.

I hope you are prepared for a title wave of west pilots coming ahead of you. Have you seen how senior of a base Phoenix is? Our most junior pilot can hold captain out East. Looks like years of stagnation for the east. Well deserved.

Stagnation for years? Do you know that the APA/US Airways Termsheet will expand outsourced regional aircraft to 325 airframs with 70 seats and 308 airframes with 86 seats? The current term sheet will outsource 15,000 additional seats—THIS WILL RESULT IN STAGNATION. Stop spewing your position and pay attention to what mutually threatens and benefits all of us as a whole.

East and West pilots will benefit mutually from AA/East/West retirements and we should all start thinking this way. East and West have a group to benefit from flying 787s, 777s and a350s under higher pay with better QOL. Look at Delta. Everything West and East suffered could be made whole in the potential of this merger.

Nothing seniority related will be triggered per say at the date of JCBA, but the clock will count down to the 24 month limit, ie. "due date" on when the unions and/or arbitrators must put the new seniority list into effect.

If NIC is awarded than APA and East may purposely delay the seniority list until the 24 month term sheet agreed to by APA and US Airways limit.

I strongly believe there will be at least 12-24 months of upgrades and retirements on the East side before West, East and AA intigrate.

We all should focus on the positive elements of this merger and watch Scope/Codeshare negotiations. Delta is insourcing and shirking their regional fleet from 583 aircraft to 450 planes. Delta will only have 33,430 physical seats in their regional fleet by 2017. Meanwhile LCC/AMR are going to grow regional flying from 580 airframes to 660 planes. This growth will bring merged American outsourced regional flying to 47,698 physical seats.

Stagnation will come from the 80 a321's worth of outsourced flying—open your eyes.

 

[The Drizzle]

Spot on Flybywire, but it will likely fall on deaf ears.

 

[Whine Lover]

Look...

Logic, common sense, facts, and hard math, are not going to help matters here.

Can't we just get back to denial, airline bashing, personal attacks, and peacock struts?

Thanks.

Whine

 

[Bringupthebird]

Stagnation will come from the 80 a321's worth of outsourced flying—open your eyes.

Nope, you still don't get it. There won't be any outsourcing of these aircraft, since AA will negotiate a sufficiently low pay rate on them to leave them in-house.

They may have a problem attracting pilots from the regionals who will be reluctant to take the pay cut to come to US/AA but that's a risk I'm sure they are willing to take.

 

[Flyby1206]

Nope, you still don't get it. There won't be any outsourcing of these aircraft, since AA will negotiate a sufficiently low pay rate on them to leave them in-house.

They may have a problem attracting pilots from the regionals who will be reluctant to take the pay cut to come to US/AA but that's a risk I'm sure they are willing to take.

You're kidding right?

 

[Flybywire44]

Nope, you still don't get it. There won't be any outsourcing of these aircraft, since AA will negotiate a sufficiently low pay rate on them to leave them in-house.

They may have a problem attracting pilots from the regionals who will be reluctant to take the pay cut to come to US/AA but that's a risk I'm sure they are willing to take.

Your are correct that a B-Scale will be put into effect for the 195/190, but the USAPA Termsheet Q&A document shows that 80 a321's worth of additional flying will also be outsourced on top of current regional flying.

Please be sure you read the Termsheet Q&A.

Does anyone have a copy of the US Airways termsheet?

 

[xjhawk]

Nope, you still don't get it. There won't be any outsourcing of these aircraft, since AA will negotiate a sufficiently low pay rate on them to leave them in-house.

They may have a problem attracting pilots from the regionals who will be reluctant to take the pay cut to come to US/AA but that's a risk I'm sure they are willing to take.

You are obviously do not even have a clue on what is happening on the regional level. Anyone working at a Delta connection carrier is facing downgrades and furloughs and is looking at leaving. Pinnacle had almost 3000 pilots who are now facing a possible fleet of 41-100 aircraft and will be lucky to have any quality of life with the work rules they are proposing. 90% of us want to leave. Do I even need to mention the 600 at Comair? If the Agreement in Principle at United/Continental is ANYTHING like the Delta contract-expect a reduction in regional flying on the United side and a slight increase in scope on the CO side to make a hopefully lower number of RJ's in their system-once again forcing job loss at the regional level. So pull your head out of your ass and see that scope is a huge issue in this proposed merger. Life is so bad at Pinnacle that there are hundreds if not a couple thousand who will be clawing at a "B" scale job.