ALPA votes 18 to 1 to throw out AAA/AWA award!

[Wiskey Driver]

HA HA HA HA HA HA! This coming from someone who has a kitty kat as his avatar!:laugh: :laugh:

737

Oh no!! They let you back out of your cage huh :laugh: I see your girl friend Scope out RJ's was here fighting for her man or woman:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Welcome back bro, now try and behave yourself...

WD.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Ahh no it won't!!

You see, I am in favor of the EC interfering with this award that way when the 1900 DFR law suits are filed and ALPA goes bankrupt that will mark the end of corrupt unions. Every pilot for themselves just like sports figures. We can negotiate our own salaries and benefit packages. Prater's days are marked so start counting.

WD.

Hahha. That's funny. Athletes have agents. Agents cost alot of money. If most atheletes had to negotiate their own contracts, they would get raped at the table.

Same can be true for pilots... oh wait, many pilot HAVE been singing the "me, me, me" song for years now. Look what happened.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

At most the integration might be tweaked a little. Both sides agree to slightly higher fences and maybe a 3/1 bid on wide bodied flying for a few years. This will be done just to create the impression that the east has won something. ALPA national will not void an arbitrators decision when both sides agreed to binding arbitration. At the end of the day the east will go along with the integration and move on. They didn't take draconian concessions and loss of their pensions just to lose it all over a ratio list integration.

We won't even do that!! The time to negotiate a deal was over a year ago. They refused and now since it has not gone DOH then they want to hijack the west pilot group. Well a resolution was put forth and passed to do no deals that in any way alter the list. No fences or anything else will be put in place. The east stands to gain the most from a joint contract collecting the lion's share of the economics in a new contract.

Now ALPA will either do as outlined in section 45 of the alpa merger policy and defend this binding and final award or be served 1900 DFR lawsuits!! They have no grounds to stand on or even ask. Not single AWA pilot will give one inch!! The want to burn it down?? I'll bring the gasoline, It's the priciple of muthaF&er now!!!

WD.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Oh boy Capt. Cornball, you really got me with that one, quick on the comebacks, very witty. I can hear you giggling with excitement now....Tell me, do you find your crew always ditches you on a layover?
Hmmmm, I wonder?



Later

No layovers for me ....jr reserve. That's what happens when you check out as Capt after being with your company for only 6 months. But hey. that's allright. I'm only 24 years old. I have plenty of time......


PHXFLYR

 

[Wiskey Driver]

I wouldn't be so sure.

ALPA National is feeling A LOT of heat these days being portrayed as a powerless/outdated entity (with the overwhelming evidence that back up those accusations).

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if this is the fight they decide to sink their teeth into.

Especially when it comes to AWA...the perceived red headed step child of the airline industry. Visions of Doug doing a carpet dance on Capital Hill come to mind...

You livin in a dream world JT!!! Any heat they are feeling is that of losing all of ALPA in a federal DFR case and over 1900 of them would certainly mark the end of alpa. Here's the story line

Today in the eastern district federal court Judge so an so issued his ruling in the over 1900 DFR suits filed on behalf of the America West pilots. Capt John Prater had this to say. "It's a sad day for ALPA, as we will be forced to bring to an end after over 75 years of service this fine institution". There's the real heat JT!! Can you feel it?? We all will if section 45 is not followed...

WD.

WD

 

[PHXFLYR]

We won't even do that!! The time to negotiate a deal was over a year ago. They refused and not since it has not gone DOH then they want to hijack the west pilot group. Well a resolution was put forth and passed to do no deals that in any way alter the list. No fences or anything else will be put in place. The east stands to gain the most from a joint contract collecting the lion's share of the economics in a new contract.

Now ALPA will either do as outlined in section 45 of the alpa merger policy and defend this binding and final award or be served 1900 DFR lawsuits!! They have no grounds to stand on or even ask. Not single AWA pilot will give one inch!! The want to burn it down?? I'll bring the gasoline, It's the priciple of muthaF&er now!!!

WD.

Yeah....what he said.


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

We won't even do that!! The time to negotiate a deal was over a year ago. They refused and not since it has not gone DOH then they want to hijack the west pilot group. Well a resolution was put forth and passed to do no deals that in any way alter the list. No fences or anything else will be put in place. The east stands to gain the most from a joint contract collecting the lion's share of the economics in a new contract.

Now ALPA will either do as outlined in section 45 of the alpa merger policy and defend this binding and final award or be served 1900 DFR lawsuits!! They have no grounds to stand on or even ask. Not single AWA pilot will give one inch!! The want to burn it down?? I'll bring the gasoline, It's the priciple of muthaF&er now!!!

WD.

Yeah....what he said !!


PHXFLYR

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Hahha. That's funny. Athletes have agents. Agents cost alot of money. If most atheletes had to negotiate their own contracts, they would get raped at the table.

Same can be true for pilots... oh wait, many pilot HAVE been singing the "me, me, me" song for years now. Look what happened.

We also have agent's and still have been getting raped at the tables so really, what's the difference??

WD.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

No layovers for me ....jr reserve. That's what happens when you check out as Capt after being with your company for only 6 months. But hey. that's allright. I'm only 24 years old. I have plenty of time......


PHXFLYR

OK the BS flag is flying now:laugh:

WD.

 

[JT8D]

You livin in a dream world JT!!! Any heat they are feeling is that of losing all of ALPA in a federal DFR case and over 1900 of them would certainly mark the end of alpa. Here's the story line

Today in the eastern district federal court Judge so an so issued his ruling in the over 1900 DFR suits filed on behalf of the America West pilots. Capt John Prater had this to say. "It's a sad day for ALPA, as we will be forced to bring to an end after over 75 years of service this fine institution". There's the real heat JT!! Can you feel it?? We all will if section 45 is not followed...

WD.

WD

Well that is par for the course...a sh1t box organization like AWA that gave away their panties voluntarily to management for 20 years bringing down ALPA...but that is the ways of the airline world these unfortunate days...

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Well that is par for the course...a sh1t box organization like AWA that gave away their panties voluntarily to management for 20 years bringing down ALPA...but that is the ways of the airline world these unfortunate days...

Oh as soon as you said "gave away" I knew that you had carriers confused. This company has only had two contracts and no concessions that I can recall!! Now when you make a bold statement like that at the very least you should have some solid facts in which to back up your claim. Without this backup it make you soulf like a horses A$$!!

 

[JT8D]

this company has only had two contracts and no concessions that I can recall!!

EXACTLY...and they were both below industry average...

 

[737 Pylt]

Hey,make sure you talk nice about Billy's "girlfriend " General Lee, now. OK?

PHXFLYR

HA HA HA!
That's right Cesear.....Step up to the plate and go to bat for your girlfriend hpilot. Isn't it about time for your diaper change??

737

 

[737 Pylt]

We won't even do that!! The time to negotiate a deal was over a year ago. They refused and now since it has not gone DOH then they want to hijack the west pilot group. Well a resolution was put forth and passed to do no deals that in any way alter the list. No fences or anything else will be put in place. The east stands to gain the most from a joint contract collecting the lion's share of the economics in a new contract.

Just curious here, from an outsider......If nobody from out west wants to go east, then why not make the fences higher? If none of you cactus girls has any desire to fly east eqp/routes, then higher fences won't matter!

Now ALPA will either do as outlined in section 45 of the alpa merger policy and defend this binding and final award or be served 1900 DFR lawsuits!!

Don't hold your breath waiting for ALPA to do whats right. Of course you're probably holding your breath later for your inflatable date!:blush: :laugh:

They have no grounds to stand on or even ask. Not single AWA pilot will give one inch!!

Stop looking at your fly when talking about alpa politics.

The want to burn it down?? I'll bring the gasoline, It's the priciple of muthaF&er now!!!

WD.

You go girl....You cactus clowns have shown over the years what you're all about with your hard line tactics and industry leading contracts..........:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

737

 

[Wiskey Driver]

EXACTLY...and they were both below industry average...

Ok I will grant you that however lets look at two things. First AWA was only 23 when it got contract 04 and the reason that contract had major issues was due to the ATSB constraints. Now nine years prior to that AWA had negotiating it's first contract (95) while again in a sea of sharks (the big airlines) they were eaten alive. The airline managend to survive and today we are working on a much better contract.

WD.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Just curious here, from an outsider......If nobody from out west wants to go east, then why not make the fences higher? If none of you cactus girls has any desire to fly east eqp/routes, then higher fences won't matter!



Don't hold your breath waiting for ALPA to do whats right. Of course you're probably holding your breath later for your inflatable date!:blush: :laugh:


Stop looking at your fly when talking about alpa politics.


You go girl....You cactus clowns have shown over the years what you're all about with your hard line tactics and industry leading contracts..........:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

737

Didn't your politically incorrect jokes get your a$$ baned before?

Cactus then vs cactus today, whole new cast of characters with new ideas and a different outlook, seriously!!

You need to find scope's out RJ's before she has a breakdown. She was so concerned when her baby 737PYLT got locked up :laugh:

WD.

 

[737 Pylt]

Didn't your politically incorrect jokes get your a$$ baned before?

Cactus then vs cactus today, whole new cast of characters with new ideas and a different outlook, seriously!!

You need to find scope's out RJ's before she has a breakdown. She was so concerned when her baby 737PYLT got locked up :laugh:

WD.

You see, this is the kind of stuff I missed for a week off!
How's it going dude?

737

 

[PHXFLYR]

OK the BS flag is flying now:laugh:

WD.

Shhhhhh..........



PHXFLY

 

[PHXFLYR]

Just curious here, from an outsider......If nobody from out west wants to go east, then why not make the fences higher? If none of you cactus girls has any desire to fly east eqp/routes, then higher fences won't matter!



Don't hold your breath waiting for ALPA to do whats right. Of course you're probably holding your breath later for your inflatable date!:blush: :laugh:


Stop looking at your fly when talking about alpa politics.


You go girl....You cactus clowns have shown over the years what you're all about with your hard line tactics and industry leading contracts..........:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

737

Hey numbnuts (at least thats what General Lee told us about you on another thread. ) Why, with our "$hit-tee" contracts, am I'm making 3/hr more than your MD88 Capts with the same senority? Talk about "industry leading"
But hey, just a little more "pillow talk" for you and the General on your next overnight together.


PHXFLY

 

[Wiskey Driver]

You see, this is the kind of stuff I missed for a week off!
How's it going dude?

737

I had a whole thread dedicated to you that had some two pages of responses that were pretty funny. Then your wife Scope out RJ's showed up and Fk'd up the party for everbody Go back and find it if you haven't already.

WD.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Shhhhhh..........



PHXFLY

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: , I held back bro. I started to post that you were one of the twelve at the last supper asking Jesus if he wanted more wine.

I spoke with you brother this week and I need to call him sometime today to fill him in on the updated I gave at the LAS picket yesterday. I'll tell him to call you and give you the info as well.

WD.

 

[PHXFLYR]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: , I held back bro. I started to post that you were one of the twelve at the last supper asking Jesus if he wanted more wine.

I spoke with you brother this week and I need to call him sometime today to fill him in on the updated I gave at the LAS picket yesterday. I'll tell him to call you and give you the info as well.

WD.

How many showed up in LAS?

PHXFLYR

 

[737 Pylt]

Hey numbnuts (at least thats what General Lee told us about you on another thread. ) Why, with our "$hit-tee" contracts, am I'm making 3/hr more than your MD88 Capts with the same senority? Talk about "industry leading"

Hey dumbass.....
Yr 9, AWA A320/737 cpt.= $133/hr
YR 9, DL M88 cpt.= $135/hr
Even better
Yr 9, AWA A320/737 cpt. = $133/hr
Yr 9, DL 737 cpt. =$148/hr

I guess that's why they never required a high school/college degree to work at your airline! Nothing like comparing 737 to M88 rates, instead of comparing 737 to 737. Of course that's why the best you could do was AWA!

But hey, just a little more "pillow talk" for you and the General on your next overnight together.


PHXFLY

So Ceasar, who plays the husband on your layovers with hpilot? You guys compare stories like you do pay rates??:laugh: :laugh:

737

 

[bigtexpilot]

If we rot out east, so will you, remember where the revenue comes from.


....and where it goes(downtown Tempe)

 

[TWA Dude]

What an interesting and useful thread this has evolved into. "Your airline sucks!" "No, your airline sucks more!" What is this, a Mesa thread?

 

[PositiveRate]

BigTex,

This is quite possibly the most flawed logic possible...

"If we rot out east, so will you, remember where the revenue comes from."

The revenue that fills you with pride exists because 2 trips through bankruptcy resulted in miserable pay rates and work rules...these new rules essentially offer your services so inexpensively that even Duig Parkweiser and team can run a profitable airline on your backs.

The civil war path will lead to failure. Pretty simple. Unfortunately, that seems to be the path many are choosing.

I bet the company brass are breathing a sigh of relief that we're focusing our anger on each other instead of becoming more united and resolute in our fight for a contract that we all deserve - now they can make some more of that easy revenue that you're so proud of.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Didn't your politically incorrect jokes get your a$$ baned before?

Cactus then vs cactus today, whole new cast of characters with new ideas and a different outlook, seriously!!

You need to find scope's out RJ's before she has a breakdown. She was so concerned when her baby 737PYLT got locked up :laugh:

WD.

Take it easy there little man. I've forgotten more than you'll ever learn!
I just noticed the obsession you have with certain members, and the more you obsess over it, the more you look like a complete ASS!!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

What an interesting and useful thread this has evolved into. "Your airline sucks!" "No, your airline sucks more!" What is this, a Mesa thread?

Does your boyfriend in your picture agree with your views?

 

[TWA Dude]

Oooh, another FI poster makes a homophobic ad-hominem attack. Your mother must be so proud of the kind of man you've become.

 

[jon coqtoestone]

It is very disappointing that the east is behaving in such a manner. Shouldn't surprise me. The east will destroy US Airways because they weren't granted the windfall they expected from their previously-experienced arbitrator - they will not be able to carpetbag out west and take all the upgrades in PHX and LAS. Unfortunately, they will take a lot of innocents with them (nothing new there).

East brought ZERO attrition to PHX and LAS. Thanks for nothing.
East is bringing us SABRE-FOS. Thanks for nothing.
East has forced ill-conceived checklist conventions. Thanks for nothing.

I guess it all doesn't really matter. Ya'all be careful out there. Remember, PSA 1771 started over a petty theft of $69 ... These are the professionals we may have to share "friendly confines" with in the future. Maybe they can bring us all to liquidation before the spit swapping begins.

Before I really go off on a rant, I must take a breath from writing for now, and go back to enjoying my windfall. (I went into this at the 78th percentile and am in the 77th percentile on the new list - however can I stay grounded in the face of such great fortune??)

You don't owe me a thing; I sure as heck don't owe you a darn thing.

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