ALPA votes 18 to 1 to throw out AAA/AWA award!

[Wiskey Driver]

And your point is what?

By the way Hpilot, AAA furloughed can and will be participating in the decertification vote if National is just trying to stroke us in answer to your earlier inquiry as to what us inactive pilots can do, think that might mess up
your plans a bit?

Ahh no it won't!!

You see, I am in favor of the EC interfering with this award that way when the 1900 DFR law suits are filed and ALPA goes bankrupt that will mark the end of corrupt unions. Every pilot for themselves just like sports figures. We can negotiate our own salaries and benefit packages. Prater's days are marked so start counting.

WD.

 

[vtwin]

Ahh no it won't!!

You see, I am in favor of the EC interfering with this award that way when the 1900 DFR law suits are filed and ALPA goes bankrupt that will mark the end of corrupt unions. Every pilot for themselves just like sports figures. We can negotiate our own salaries and benefit packages. Prater's days are marked so start counting.

WD.

Maybe you will prevail in your DFR suit if you get a judge like your favorite arbitrator to preside over it. Otherwise good luck, most outsiders recognize this lopsided award for what it is, a bank robbery.

 

[Hpilot]

Ahh no it won't!!

You see, I am in favor of the EC interfering with this award that way when the 1900 DFR law suits are filed and ALPA goes bankrupt that will mark the end of corrupt unions. Every pilot for themselves just like sports figures. We can negotiate our own salaries and benefit packages. Prater's days are marked so start counting.

WD.

Boy it really is a win-win situation for us isn't it. Hard to believe the East could have had a win-win situation if they'd just tried to play fair. Oh well, no chance of that.

 

[vtwin]

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Little Doosh.........

It was not to throw out the award - don't get all ramped up about coming back above any active pilots.


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What was it then? 14-1 telling AAA to get lost? Don't buy that captains house yet.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Your right, this is not good for ALPA either and that is good.

Maybe you will prevail in your DFR suit if you get your favorite arbitrator to preside over it.

Ok but why would and arbitrator preside over a lawsuit?? No my uninformed friend this one will play out in the federal district court system. BTW AWA had no favorites as we have never been to this type of arb. The east chose Nicalou as they had a PRIOR working relationship with the man. They chose their neutral because they had a PRIOR working relationship with the man.

I'm hungry for the lawsuit, I would much rather watch the destruction of a corrupt union. T minus 10 on John Prater!!!!!

WD.

 

[vtwin]

Boy it really is a win-win situation for us isn't it. Hard to believe the East could have had a win-win situation if they'd just tried to play fair. Oh well, no chance of that.

The AWA delusion continues. Play fair? You stole our retirements from us, Nicolau should have utilized conditions and restrictions to prevent that from happening.

14-1(awa) saw a reason to look further into this award, I guess they are not playing fair.

 

[MK82Man]

Excellent Post Positive Rate. Here is the meat of the Resolution passed:

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the President continue to
employ all the resources of the Association to assist the MECs in
achieving these goals, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that further consideration of this
agenda item is deferred to a special meeting of the Executive Council to
be called by the President to be held in June 2007

I read spin, delay, stall, get in the muddy middle, grey zone. ALPA is working so hard to listen to the cares and concerns of the East dudes -- get real. HQ ain't doing jack. They don't want to touch this thing at all. "We'll assist the MECs" to do what?? Nothing -- for how long 6-9 months. "we'll deferr to June for review" ok, yeah. Zip Zero NADA. I bet you get some sort of "after very careful review" ... nothing changes. Time heals it all. Any PR firm would say stall. There isn't one West guy who would vote to compromise anything -- we'll go our own way first. We negotiated for 18 months. All over.

Here is a read ahead. At some point Parker gets tired of waiting. He needs a list to get the company moving forward. He'll hire to the West -- we need crews. Not a new dude on property since the merger and the summer schedule is in jepordy if we don't absorb on the bottom soon. He will recall your East pilots to the West certificate and if they don't accept, he'll hire off the street to it. He will move new metal to the West, or sell off more 737s on the East side and then furlough/stop recalling East pilots if he has too much on that side of the house. The East is playing with absolute fire on thier side of the street. Parker is a West man and already has the US Airways certificate. Expect the West guys to open Section 6 and work on our own contract if the East doesn't want a new contract. Re-read Positive Rate's post. That is the real issue. All this "award injustice" is wasted breath.

 

[vtwin]

Ok but why would and arbitrator preside over a lawsuit?? No my uninformed friend this one will play out in the federal district court system. BTW AWA had no favorites as we have never been to this type of arb. The east chose Nicalou as they had a PRIOR working relationship with the man. They chose their neutral because they had a PRIOR working relationship with the man.

I'm hungry for the lawsuit, I would much rather watch the destruction of a corrupt union. T minus 10 on John Prater!!!!!

WD.

Of course an arbitrator won't.... You will need a judge who is as unhinged as your arbitrator or, find one you can bribe after catching him on film with farm animals to see merit in your DFR against alpa looking further into this debacle
and resolving it.

By the way, we expected him to follow the loosely scripted merger policy
of no windfalls for either group and, to preserve career expectations also. I doubt he would ever be picked to do another airline arbitration again, his old age aside, do I have to explain that also. By the way, what did you do with those pictures anyway?

 

[vtwin]

Excellent Post Positive Rate. Here is the meat of the Resolution passed:

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the President continue to
employ all the resources of the Association to assist the MECs in
achieving these goals, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that further consideration of this
agenda item is deferred to a special meeting of the Executive Council to
be called by the President to be held in June 2007

I read spin, delay, stall, get in the muddy middle, grey zone. ALPA is working so hard to listen to the cares and concerns of the East dudes -- get real. HQ ain't doing jack. They don't want to touch this thing at all. "We'll assist the MECs" to do what?? Nothing -- for how long 6-9 months. "we'll deferr to June for review" ok, yeah. Zip Zero NADA. I bet you get some sort of "after very careful review" ... nothing changes. Time heals it all. Any PR firm would say stall. There isn't one West guy who would vote to compromise anything -- we'll go our own way first. We negotiated for 18 months. All over.

Here is a read ahead. At some point Parker gets tired of waiting. He needs a list to get the company moving forward. He'll hire to the West -- we need crews. Not a new dude on property since the merger and the summer schedule is in jepordy if we don't absorb on the bottom soon. He will recall your East pilots to the West certificate and if they don't accept, he'll hire off the street to it. He will move new metal to the West, or sell off more 737s on the East side and then furlough/stop recalling East pilots if he has too much on that side of the house. The East is playing with absolute fire on thier side of the street. Parker is a West man and already has the US Airways certificate. Expect the West guys to open Section 6 and work on our own contract if the East doesn't want a new contract. Re-read Positive Rate's post. That is the real issue. All this "award injustice" is wasted breath.

Your wet dream makes a lot of sense if the West was responsible for 80% of the profit margin and most of the revenue but it is not, so now what?

 

[Hpilot]

The AWA delusion continues. Play fair? You stole our retirements from us, Nicolau should have utilized conditions and restrictions to prevent that from happening.

14-1(awa) saw a reason to look further into this award, I guess they are not playing fair.

Stole your retirements? I've gone from a five year upgrade to total stagnation for the last three years. Meanwhile all the recalls have gone out east. Oh yeah, and you guys still have jobs. Talk about windfalls, go look in the mirror. On top of that you guys have the top 500 slots. The contract the company just offered is 80% improvements for the East. It's no wonder you guys got the industries worst contract shoved down your throats. You wouldn't negotiate. It's all "mine, mine, mine, gimme, gimme, gimme". All we have to do out west is sit back and watch you guys destroy yourselves. You sure are good at it.

 

[DOVPILOT]

I am so disappointed with ALPA. WTF First they give up on age 65 then they do this? We had a legal process. It was followed and now because some old guys want to cry to their buddies they want to change the rules after the fact?

Us younger guys need to get more involved in the union.

yeah sleeves remember there will come a time when you get old and some F'N punk is trying to take your job. When you turn 60, I hope you have the liberty to retire and not have to work because some D!CK CEO took all your bennies....

 

[vtwin]

Stole your retirements? I've gone from a five year upgrade to total stagnation for the last three years. Meanwhile all the recalls have gone out east. Oh yeah, and you guys still have jobs. Talk about windfalls, go look in the mirror. On top of that you guys have the top 500 slots. The contract the company just offered is 80% improvements for the East. It's no wonder you guys got the industries worst contract shoved down your throats. You wouldn't negotiate. It's all "mine, mine, mine, gimme, gimme, gimme". All we have to do out west is sit back and watch you guys destroy yourselves. You sure are good at it.

Recalls go out east because that is where the retirements are.

Top 500 slots where always ours since the widebody flying was ours.
Those pilots would be gone in 3 years, oh what an eternal wait that would be,
oh the horror, huh Hpilot? I guess it is not enough for you that the east got fenced off from our own widebody flying also by Nicolau.

Total stagnation? does not sound like your bringing a lot of horsepower
to your integration arguement, seems I heard that used against us east guys...If you got to keep your position on the list, and you won't, that would really take care of your horrible and awful long 3 year stagnation would it not? Such an eternity. Windfall. You sound like a brat kid Hpilot.

We still have jobs? Oh thanks, you want those also I guess. Guess we had some career expectations after all, huh? George N.

80% improvements? What on earth....

"Mine, mine, mine, gimme, gimme, gimme", I can hear your voice cracking Hpilot.

That sounds like you returning the loot you recently stole from us AAA pilots
through this botched arbitration. 14-1, interesting. Stop kidding yourself, east retirements for east pilots, end of story, you dig?

No combined list, no joint contract, no quick upgrade for Hpilot until this gets sorted, just ask most east guys. You can count on east doing everything they can to scuttle this list lacking conditions and restrictions.

 

[TWA Dude]

I imagine you would be feeling much better if they told AAA to pound sand 14-1 though, huh? But they didn't did they? Hmmm, maybe they saw some merit in our opposition to your windfall? 14-1, interesting times.

All you have to do is put yourself in Prater's shoes. He's trying to calm down one pilot group. He's already stated that the EC must follow ALPA Merger Policy so there's no fear there. If I were him I'd try to broker a behind-the-scenes agreement without the EC getting involved. USAirways was very possibly a goner in 2005 so I think ALPA can handle the loss of a pilot group in defense of its set-in-stone bylaws.

 

[TWA Dude]

Total stagnation? does not sound like your bringing a lot of horsepower to your integration arguement, seems I heard that used against us east guys...

The stagnation came when airplane deliveries stopped after the merger announcement.

 

[Hpilot]

Recalls go out east because that is where the retirements are.

Top 500 slots where always ours since the widebody flying was ours.
Those pilots would be gone in 3 years, oh what an eternal wait that would be,
oh the horror, huh Hpilot? I guess it is not enough for you that the east got fenced off from our own widebody flying also by Nicolau.

Total stagnation? does not sound like your bringing a lot of horsepower
to your integration arguement, seems I heard that used against us east guys...If you got to keep your position on the list, and you won't, that would really take care of your horrible and awful long 3 year stagnation would it not? Such an eternity. Windfall. You sound like a brat kid Hpilot.

We still have jobs? Oh thanks, you want those also I guess. Guess we had some career expectations after all, huh? George N.

80% improvements? What on earth....

"Mine, mine, mine, gimme, gimme, gimme", I can hear your voice cracking Hpilot.

That sounds like you returning the loot you recently stole from us AAA pilots
through this botched arbitration. 14-1, interesting. Stop kidding yourself, east retirements for east pilots, end of story, you dig?

No combined list, no joint contract, no quick upgrade for Hpilot until this gets sorted, just ask most east guys. You can count on east doing everything they can to scuttle this list lacking conditions and restrictions.

-Total stagnation came after the merger to the titanic. We were hiring 20-30 a month before.
-Yes, 80%, read the thing
-Oh so you guys want to negotiate now after the fact. Sorry sonny it doesn't work that way. We could care less if you rot out East. Don't think that you'll be safe either. Like I said we'll sit back and watch you guys keep hurting yourselves. What are you masochists.

 

[Hpilot]

All you have to do is put yourself in Prater's shoes. He's trying to calm down one pilot group. He's already stated that the EC must follow ALPA Merger Policy so there's no fear there. If I were him I'd try to broker a behind-the-scenes agreement without the EC getting involved. USAirways was very possibly a goner in 2005 so I think ALPA can handle the loss of a pilot group in defense of its set-in-stone bylaws.

As long as we don't back down. Letting these sleaze bags push us around would be like capitulating to terrorists. It's not right.

 

[d328pilot]

"Mine, mine, mine, gimme, gimme, gimme", I can hear your voice cracking Hpilot.

This from a US Air pilot to an HP pilot?? Pot meet Kettle.

 

[Itsallsogood]

[The AWA delusion continues. Play fair? You stole our retirements from us, Nicolau should have utilized conditions and restrictions to prevent that from happening.

14-1(awa) saw a reason to look further into this award, I guess they are not playing fair.]


What a fuxing moron. WhhAAAAAAAAAAA........ You stole ours....... WWWHHHAAAAAAAAA Play Fair? Whhaaaaaaaaaaaa You, Mr. Tool, are an idiot. It was 18-1 to delay the inevitable for you numbnutz to back down. Delusional? Denial? Anger? Hostile? Bitter? You name it. It is Not AWA.

 

[Itsallsogood]

Quit please

 

[vtwin]

All you have to do is put yourself in Prater's shoes. He's trying to calm down one pilot group. He's already stated that the EC must follow ALPA Merger Policy so there's no fear there. If I were him I'd try to broker a behind-the-scenes agreement without the EC getting involved. USAirways was very possibly a goner in 2005 so I think ALPA can handle the loss of a pilot group in defense of its set-in-stone bylaws.

What kind of behind the scenes agreement? You agree we got screwed and you have to give a little then?

Loss of a pilot group? Please tell me your not participating in the TWA lawsuit against ALPA and trying to defend them on this integration?

Can you say hypocrite.