I don't think he was trying to say for SWAPA to represent Skywest pilots. You might want to read up on fair representation. I think that's where he's coming from.
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I don't think he was trying to say for SWAPA to represent Skywest pilots. You might want to read up on fair representation. I think that's where he's coming from.
The biggest difference between southwest and skywest is we are a contract feeder period end of sentance. We are on no terms to make huge demands. Our contract with delta has an opt out if we get too expensive. If we truly want to be in southwests league we first have to break out of the shackles of being a contract airline. Mark my words, there will be no union or no industry leading contract as long as we are just a contract airline. A union does virtually no good to an airline who is in the buisness of keeping costs as low as possible. BTW we will always be a contract airline in some form as long as there is a fee per departure out there. That fee per departure is very addicting to all managements.
The safest way to keep our contracts is to wait and see what other airlines get first then match pretty close to what they get. Staying low cost is key to survival and as long as we never lead the industry so to speak then we are in good shape.
Texx, you have not talked about ALPA directly but yet you are comparing a union contract such as SWA to SkyW. Since SWAPA cannot represent SkyW, that leaves the ALPA argument here. This is the subject of your posts as well as implying that SkyW is starting a race to the bottom. So answer this then, I'll have someone read it to me and explain it too since I can't seem to get the "message" in your intelligant posts...
What will bringing a union on property do for SkyW? I only ask for 5 reasons. Since as you stated we are in a race for the bottom, and we do everything based on trust as you stated JA does with DAL, UAL, and Midwest.
No it does not. ALPA is not the only game in town. As for your 5 reason I'll ask you these questions and can take you time to answer.
1. Pay. Can Skywest Airlines change your rate at their choosing?
2. Benefits. Your profit sharing and stock purchase, can those go away at anytime? Your 401k match, can that be changed?
3. Seniority. JA has a buddy, he's a new hire, and he wants to take care of him so he puts him in the next Captains' class. What can you do since this is out of seniority order?
4. Representation with the FAA. FAA comes after you. Is Skywest Airlines going to supply a aviation lawyer to see your case all the way to the Administrative Law Judge?
5. Sorry, The above 4. should be important enough.
As for the trust, I really don't think JA does a hand shake on your flying with these ailrines does he. The point being business transactions do better in a contract than a gentlemens agreement.
Has the 401k match ever been lowered? So far the stock sharing and 401k match are working just fine. There is the HCE problem but how could ALPA solve that? Grieve it? Grievances can take years. Can ALPA force the IRS to change tax laws?
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A little before your time son, but ask some of the senior guys (in ORD, that would probably be someone passing through the crew lounge, mid-trip) about the old bonus program. Pre-"performance rewards". You will find out that you used to save more for retirement. It was tax-advantaged. You received more money. So while the match has not been lowered, the amount going in has been reduced. What has SAPA done to fix the HCE problem. Actually let m re-phrase that....What has BH allowed SAPA to do to fix the HCE program. here are some sharp cookies working on the issue at SAPA (W.S.).
Unfortunately mgmt does nothing to help the problem. It is a problem that can be worked around. The tax laws can be worked around. Your management just chooses not to. Other (union) carriers have dealt with this problem. As far as grieving it goes, you are so ill-informed, I don't know where to start....
Has anyone at SkyWest ever been unfairly bumped ahead in seniority?
Yes, during the initial stages of the 70 seater program. Happened all the time. Sr guys who were 70 qualified were forced to fly 70 rips. Jr folks who were only 50 qualified were able to take 50 seat lines that Sr. pilots wanted.
Same DOH, but better seniority number. You point it out yourself...The only seniority bumps that happen are those who have been SkyWest employees before. They goto the head of the class in seniority but still have the same DOH as everyone else.
But, not really that good....It has not happened yet. The airline has been pretty good about honoring the seniority system.
So, abrogation of seniority is OK in the name of company efficiency....Some people will speak of the bucket system. That system is simply the most efficient way to use reserves.
4.Oh please tell us more about this....Skywest does have a legal plan that we do pay for.
.Also if the ASAP filed is sole source you are not subject to disciplinary action
However, unlike real ASAP programs, if the info is not sole source, you can expect to see the Chief Pilot. Kinda goes against the whole idea of ASAP doesn't it?
Tell that to your chief if you end up in his officeIf you make a mistake fill out your ASAP and you won't need a lawyer.
You are a pita. I get sick of pointing out all of your inaccuracies and half-truths. I really wish you worked for another carrier so I didn't feel the need to constantly set the record straight.
Has the 401k match ever been lowered? So far the stock sharing and 401k match are working just fine. There is the HCE problem but how could ALPA solve that? Grieve it? Grievances can take years. Can ALPA force the IRS to change tax laws?
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A little before your time son, but ask some of the senior guys (in ORD, that would probably be someone passing through the crew lounge, mid-trip) about the old bonus program. Pre-"performance rewards". You will find out that you used to save more for retirement. It was tax-advantaged. You received more money. So while the match has not been lowered, the amount going in has been reduced. What has SAPA done to fix the HCE problem. Actually let m re-phrase that....What has BH allowed SAPA to do to fix the HCE program. here are some sharp cookies working on the issue at SAPA (W.S.).
Unfortunately mgmt does nothing to help the problem. It is a problem that can be worked around. The tax laws can be worked around. Your management just chooses not to. Other (union) carriers have dealt with this problem. As far as grieving it goes, you are so ill-informed, I don't know where to start....
Yes, during the initial stages of the 70 seater program. Happened all the time. Sr guys who were 70 qualified were forced to fly 70 rips. Jr folks who were only 50 qualified were able to take 50 seat lines that Sr. pilots wanted.
Same DOH, but better seniority number. You point it out yourself...
But, not really that good....
So, abrogation of seniority is OK in the name of company efficiency....
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Oh please tell us more about this....
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However, unlike real ASAP programs, if the info is not sole source, you can expect to see the Chief Pilot. Kinda goes against the whole idea of ASAP doesn't it?
Tell that to your chief if you end up in his office
You are a pita. I get sick of pointing out all of your inaccuracies and half-truths. I really wish you worked for another carrier so I didn't feel the need to constantly set the record straight.
I don't think there are more than a couple of guys in ORD that are senior enough to remember that we used to get both profit sharing for our 401K, and bonus checks...Once again, Newwoman chooses to ignore the truth!
Crew Policy Manual states that transfers may be out of seniority for company needs.
Example. When FAT first started out as a CRJ domiclie, pilots already trained on the CRJ were given transfers into FAT before senior pilots who had their transition or upgrade bids in for FAT. It became a joke that to get awarded FAT one had to first bid SLC CRJ transition/upgrade, then after being awarded SLC put in a transfer bid for FAT. This also has happened in PDX on the E120.