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ALPA National changes policy, now supports Age 65 retirement

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So answer this, UALDriver, if ALPA beat Age 60 every other time, why couldn't we beat it again?

To back down now, we are making ourselves look like hypocrites, because ALPA has always insisted that flying beyond 60 was unsafe. Are they saying it's safe now? Once you go down the safety road you can't go back.

So what if Europe approved age 60? Most of Europe are socialists too, but I don't see that changing here.

The truth is that ALPA caved to the pressure from the high dues paying senior pilots who lost their pensions and need to keep working. That's a win-win for the union, because at 1.95% these are also the top dues payers, and ALPA will be raking it in for another 5 years. They are, as said before, robbing the junior pilots to pay the senior pilots. The ICAO and FAA position is nothing but an excuse for ALPA to do something they wanted to do anyhow, but couldn't figure out how.

Fortunately, Blakey did them a favor. As if they didn't discuss it beforehand...

We didn't this time because the political winds changed. It's that simple, and that's what happened from my understanding. And you're right that there were pilots who lost their pensions and who were applying political pressure to their Congressmen to get the rules changed. So was Southwest's Union. That all comes into play.

As pilots, we're black& white people. Here's a problem. Fix it. Go to the next problem. Politics isn't like that at all, and I don't think the typical pilot understands that. ALPA can't just beat its chest and stomp its feet on this issue when key players that were on our "team" changed sides under external pressure. Continued fighting was not politically possible or wise considering the interests of the membership. Simply put, if ALPA's argument continues to be, "not even no, but hell no" we would be excluded from the rule making process. As sometimes happens in politics, our leaders had one of two bad choices to make. One, "hell no" and be excluded from the political process and possibly damage sensitive political relationships that we might need in the future. Also, keep in mind that the will of the majority of pilots was to take part in the rule making process if Age 60 becames a lost battle. Or two, "yeah we don't like this rule change, we continue to protest it but this is what we need in the rule making to make it much more palatable." Both choices suck for me, too, but I understand why ALPA National did what they did after making my own effort to contact my reps and find out what really happened.

And frankly, I don't buy the anti-ALPA guys who say ALPA is only interested in "dues money." Like there's this huge conspiracy to suck in as much dues money as possible to fuel the machine and screw everything else. The problem with conspiracy theories are they're almost impossible to disprove. All I can say is that as I become more involved in ALPA, I've had a better look behind the curtain, warts and all. I have never heard anyone EVEN ONCE say anything about needing to do X,Y, or Z because it brings in more dues. Sorry, I don't buy the argument that the Age 60 rule changed because ALPA wants more dues money. But of course, like almost all conspiracy theories, I can't disprove it.

There's my opinion, take it or leave it. If fellow ALPA members at least read what appears to be my dissenting opinion and at least tried to perhaps contact their leaders to find out what really happened and they still believe ALPA screwed them, then so be it. At least they took the time to investigate on their own and formulate their own opinion instead of making a rash, emotional judgement. I'll just have to agree to disagree with those people.
 
Diclaimer:

ualdriver is NOT Rez O. Lewshun. Any appearance that each mantra is similar is simply coincidential.....
 
Can you see this happening too?

So the Executive Board voted to support the rule change as to not be excluded from the process of the ineveitable cabotage and foreign ownership rulemaking as we don't want an organization like the IATA (read: airline management) having more influence on the new cabotage and foreign ownership rules than ALPA.

So this begs the question...

Why do we even have ALPA? Can you think of better things to do with 1.95% of your paycheck? I sure can...
It will really be hard for ALPA to jusify their presence when the first US Airline is under foreign ownership and RyanAir wages are imposed. There's alot of pilots with the mindset that this is just a market force and the effects of a global economy, it can only be held off so long. I don't agree with this mentality, NOT to be mistaken for whining, but I think we DO have the power to affect change...I just don't see the right kind of change coming anytime soon with ALPA at the controls.
 
It will really be hard for ALPA to jusify their presence when the first US Airline is under foreign ownership and RyanAir wages are imposed. There's alot of pilots with the mindset that this is just a market force and the effects of a global economy, it can only be held off so long. I don't agree with this mentality, NOT to be mistaken for whining, but I think we DO have the power to affect change...I just don't see the right kind of change coming anytime soon with ALPA at the controls.

Then what sir, do you suggest?
 
It will really be hard for ALPA to jusify their presence when the first US Airline is under foreign ownership and RyanAir wages are imposed. There's alot of pilots with the mindset that this is just a market force and the effects of a global economy, it can only be held off so long. I don't agree with this mentality, NOT to be mistaken for whining, but I think we DO have the power to affect change...I just don't see the right kind of change coming anytime soon with ALPA at the controls.

Doug-

I'm one of those people that feels that globalization is a bigger force than ALPA and that I think ALPA will eventually lose that battle too.

That having been said, that DOES NOT mean that I think ALPA should be resigned to a loss. I'm just Joe Blow ALPA member with the opinion that eventually we'll lose- and maybe I'm wrong! ALPA National should be fighting cabotage/foreign ownership tooth and nail right now, and they are. Age 65 was a divisive issue amongst ALPA pilots. Cabotage/foreign ownership is pretty much a no brainer for 99.9% of the unionized pilots out there. It's not like we're going to have a divided house two years down the road when the cabotage issue comes back to roost. And with my ALPA-PAC contributions, I hope we're able to help elect Senators and Congressmen who who share ALPA's positions.

As far as ALPA being at the controls, well you're ALPA and I'm ALPA- as corny as that sounds. I don't care who the union is, but when you have guys blaming ALPA for losing the pensions, cutting their pay, getting them furloughed, etc., etc., then yup, we're screwed. When we have guys who don't even know what ALPA-PAC is, never mind contribute just a few bucks a month to it, then yup, we're screwed. When we have 2000 guys in a Council at my airline and we can't even get 30 guys to show up for a Union meeting, then yup, we're screwed. When we have guys that can't even take 15 minutes out of their day to take a poll, then yup, we're screwed. Every time a "one issue" guy stops his ALPA-PAC contribution or wears his pin upside down or pushes to decertify ALPA, management teams all over the country high five each other as they walk down the hallways. And a baby cries.
 

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