ALPA MEC tells Gary Kelly no thanks..again

[vixin]

Slug,
Don't give the trannies facts now.

 

[redflyer65]

Tranny MEC, get smart.

You can't fix stupid.

<<<< When talking about burning cash, the Tranny MEC sure knows what they are doing!

 

[WildcatFan]

It isnt stupidity at all. I see now where the AT militancy is coming from...these guys are being lied to. I dont believe ALPA will let them or even wants them to get integrated. This has become more about ALPA's interests than AT pilots. The problem is the AT guys have been so beat up by bad mgt they dont believe in managment that actually tells the truth, and cant see the danger of their path. They really think GK is bluffing and posturing, and ALPA national has no problem convincing them of that because of their unfortunate history. "SWAPA fear mongering" and all that. The SWA pilots that know GK, and understand our mgt is different, cannot and will not be able to convince the AT guys that it isnt fear mongering because of the obvious conflict of interest. So there will be a whole new chapter of "hard landings" written about suicide by ALPA after this one.

 

[RLAblows]

Bob Fornaro AirTran had "done a lot with not much , but it was becoming less clear that AirTran had the ability to grow and remain competitive since I was put in charge."

 

[redflyer65]

Wildcat,

Your are exactly right. They have a hard time understanding these principles. It's been foreign to them for sooo many years, and honestly, not their fault.

Gary doesn't bluff.

 

[weasel_lips]

Gary this, Gary that, Gary Gary Gary........ Gary is gonna get you! Gary will punish you! Gary is the boogie man! Gary don't play!

You SWA types sound scared ********************less the AT guys might get a fair shake.

 

[UALX727]

From the AT merger update today:

In addition, Dan Katz, SWAPA counsel Jeff Freund, mediator Dana Eischen, and Southwest Airlines Senior Labor Counsel Joe Harris conferred multiple times via teleconference during the week to discuss various mediation and arbitration schedules. During the exchanges, SWAPA pushed for a delay in the arbitration proceedings, which we opposed. Southwest management offered to extend by up to three months their previously stated desire to conclude the arbitration process by December 31. In the end, the arbitration board accepted our position that the following twelve hearing dates should remain in place: October 11-14, November 14-17, and December 13-16. The parties also agreed to reserve January 31 through February 2 for additional arbitration sessions, if necessary. Arbitration hearings will take place in Washington, with times and places to be determined.

 

[redflyer65]

Not scared at all.

We've tried to tell the Trannies for months how this could play out with Gary. Absolutely none of them believed us until the Gary letter came out on Monday.

I really don't care at this point, we have tried to let them know he doesn't bluff. The letter basically states that as well. We've heard squat out of some of the most vocal AAI since then. I get that. They need to procede with caution at this point(IMO). SL8 pretty much has the SW pilots backs at this point.

 

[Flycatcher99]

From the AT merger update today:

In addition, Dan Katz, SWAPA counsel Jeff Freund, mediator Dana Eischen, and Southwest Airlines Senior Labor Counsel Joe Harris conferred multiple times via teleconference during the week to discuss various mediation and arbitration schedules. During the exchanges, SWAPA pushed for a delay in the arbitration proceedings, which we opposed. Southwest management offered to extend by up to three months their previously stated desire to conclude the arbitration process by December 31. In the end, the arbitration board accepted our position that the following twelve hearing dates should remain in place: October 11-14, November 14-17, and December 13-16. The parties also agreed to reserve January 31 through February 2 for additional arbitration sessions, if necessary. Arbitration hearings will take place in Washington, with times and places to be determined.

So, basically, this says that alpo shot down the request, and the mediator accepted it (which he has to...he isn't going to say, "c'mon guys, don't you want to delay it too?!").

Which in turn means, you guys are wrong. And have been wrong. And are being continually played and manipulated by your own union. Swapa's story is correct.

Geez, watching you guys handle this is like witnessing a train wreck in slow motion.

 

[jonjuan]

So if the lists aren't merged, this whole SLI issue goes away? Hmmm. That's what I've been saying for several days.
Don't kid yourself into thinking that the lists HAVE to be merged. Plan B may be more expensive in the short term but from all external appearances, that's the direction where this ship appears to be sailing.

... I hear rumors that Delta's been Jonesing for the 717s. Maybe they'll give DOH if Southwest opts for Section 45 Fragmentation of AirTran??? LOL!
For those armchair lawyers, here's section 45: http://www.wearealpa.org/about/adminmanual/Section_045_Merger_and_Fragmentation_Policy.pdf

This quote comes from a guy who once said: "Age 65 WILL NOT happen.".

Remember that gem, Andy?

 

[Andy]

This quote comes from a guy who once said: "Age 65 WILL NOT happen.".

Remember that gem, Andy?

Nice fact free post.

ROTFLMAO! You're completely wrong. I fought 65 as hard as I could. So now you're blaming me for age 65? Hilarious. I sent out hundreds of PMs to people with predrafted letters to send to their Congressmen. My inbox is still loaded with some of the responses.
Do a search. Here, find one post of me stating that age 65 WILL NOT happen: http://forums.flightinfo.com/search.php?searchid=2817104&pp=25&page=14

Here are a few random posts:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=383501&highlight=age#post383501
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=462593&highlight=age#post462593
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=831940&highlight=age#post831940
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1088547&highlight=age#post1088547 (Note: HR 65 died with the end of the 109th Congress; it never left subcommittee) The 110th Congress passed age 65.
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1127881&highlight=age#post1127881
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1318455&highlight=age#post1318455
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1475286&highlight=age#post1475286

I find it humorous how you could say that I said that age 65 would never change. I made it my mission to fight age 65 for four years. I lost. And now that it's had a negative effect on your career - just as I warned it would - you're trying to put the exact opposite words in my mouth. Nice.
You're sharp as a bowling ball.

 

[carl p]

Lets get this done. Tranny MEC, get smart.

What he said...

 

[glasspilot1]

I dont believe ALPA will let them or even wants them to get integrated. This has become more about ALPA's interests than AT pilots.

Boy, where have I heard this before????

 

[kwick]

Nice fact free post.

ROTFLMAO! You're completely wrong. I fought 65 as hard as I could. So now you're blaming me for age 65? Hilarious. I sent out hundreds of PMs to people with predrafted letters to send to their Congressmen. My inbox is still loaded with some of the responses.
Do a search. Here, find one post of me stating that age 65 WILL NOT happen: http://forums.flightinfo.com/search.php?searchid=2817104&pp=25&page=14

Here are a few random posts:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=383501&highlight=age#post383501
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=462593&highlight=age#post462593
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=831940&highlight=age#post831940
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1088547&highlight=age#post1088547 (Note: HR 65 died with the end of the 109th Congress; it never left subcommittee) The 110th Congress passed age 65.
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1127881&highlight=age#post1127881
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1318455&highlight=age#post1318455
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1475286&highlight=age#post1475286

I find it humorous how you could say that I said that age 65 would never change. I made it my mission to fight age 65 for four years. I lost. And now that it's had a negative effect on your career - just as I warned it would - you're trying to put the exact opposite words in my mouth. Nice.
You're sharp as a bowling ball.

A guy with a few months in the right seat of an airliner who is a
"Self-Professed Expert" on airlines!

How this guy ever convinced anybody that he could write aviation
related articles for some rag is beyond belief.

I guess, if you can't fly, you can gain some self-satisfaction from
trying to convince some media types that you know what you're
writing about.

Any person with any aviation experience at all recognizes
this guy as a complete fraud!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

All bow to the great and powerful GARY....

Keepin the CULTure alive, one Herb Turd at a time!!

You Swapa crybabies kill me!!