ALPA MEC tells Gary Kelly no thanks..again

[Andy]

This quote comes from a guy who once said: "Age 65 WILL NOT happen.".

Remember that gem, Andy?

Nice fact free post.

ROTFLMAO! You're completely wrong. I fought 65 as hard as I could. So now you're blaming me for age 65? Hilarious. I sent out hundreds of PMs to people with predrafted letters to send to their Congressmen. My inbox is still loaded with some of the responses.
Do a search. Here, find one post of me stating that age 65 WILL NOT happen: http://forums.flightinfo.com/search.php?searchid=2817104&pp=25&page=14

Here are a few random posts:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=383501&highlight=age#post383501
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=462593&highlight=age#post462593
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=831940&highlight=age#post831940
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1088547&highlight=age#post1088547 (Note: HR 65 died with the end of the 109th Congress; it never left subcommittee) The 110th Congress passed age 65.
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1127881&highlight=age#post1127881
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1318455&highlight=age#post1318455
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1475286&highlight=age#post1475286

I find it humorous how you could say that I said that age 65 would never change. I made it my mission to fight age 65 for four years. I lost. And now that it's had a negative effect on your career - just as I warned it would - you're trying to put the exact opposite words in my mouth. Nice.
You're sharp as a bowling ball.

 

[carl p]

Lets get this done. Tranny MEC, get smart.

What he said...

 

[glasspilot1]

I dont believe ALPA will let them or even wants them to get integrated. This has become more about ALPA's interests than AT pilots.

Boy, where have I heard this before????

 

[kwick]

Nice fact free post.

ROTFLMAO! You're completely wrong. I fought 65 as hard as I could. So now you're blaming me for age 65? Hilarious. I sent out hundreds of PMs to people with predrafted letters to send to their Congressmen. My inbox is still loaded with some of the responses.
Do a search. Here, find one post of me stating that age 65 WILL NOT happen: http://forums.flightinfo.com/search.php?searchid=2817104&pp=25&page=14

Here are a few random posts:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=383501&highlight=age#post383501
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=462593&highlight=age#post462593
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=831940&highlight=age#post831940
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1088547&highlight=age#post1088547 (Note: HR 65 died with the end of the 109th Congress; it never left subcommittee) The 110th Congress passed age 65.
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1127881&highlight=age#post1127881
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1318455&highlight=age#post1318455
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1475286&highlight=age#post1475286

I find it humorous how you could say that I said that age 65 would never change. I made it my mission to fight age 65 for four years. I lost. And now that it's had a negative effect on your career - just as I warned it would - you're trying to put the exact opposite words in my mouth. Nice.
You're sharp as a bowling ball.

A guy with a few months in the right seat of an airliner who is a
"Self-Professed Expert" on airlines!

How this guy ever convinced anybody that he could write aviation
related articles for some rag is beyond belief.

I guess, if you can't fly, you can gain some self-satisfaction from
trying to convince some media types that you know what you're
writing about.

Any person with any aviation experience at all recognizes
this guy as a complete fraud!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

All bow to the great and powerful GARY....

Keepin the CULTure alive, one Herb Turd at a time!!

You Swapa crybabies kill me!!

 

[canyonblue]

You Swapa crybabies kill me!!

We're getting close, but you keep ducking.

 

[Andy]

A guy with a few months in the right seat of an airliner who is a
"Self-Professed Expert" on airlines!

How this guy ever convinced anybody that he could write aviation
related articles for some rag is beyond belief.

I guess, if you can't fly, you can gain some self-satisfaction from
trying to convince some media types that you know what you're
writing about.

Any person with any aviation experience at all recognizes
this guy as a complete fraud!

LOL!

I take it you're concerned about the possibility of fragmentation and are lashing out at everyone.

4 Apr 07:

APA gave us the "B" scale, now they're against the age 65 rule. Guy's, this is a great deal for everybody, if you look down the road a few years. Think long term. As much as you might be against this right now, it probably will mean about a million dollars to you, if you consider you're 401k's or retirement plans and insurance coverage. I'll bet you a domestic beer that when you're 50 or 55, you'll be for this. I know you might not believe this now, but I think you will. Just consider the possibility.

It's a few years down the road. Show of hands on how many people think age 65's a great deal for everyone.

3 May 07:

The age 65 rule will mean at least a billion dollars additional income for the pilot group, as a whole. Probably, a lot more. The airline fleet is projected to double by 2020, so there is plenty of opportunity for everyone. And Learherkjay, you're right, it means 5 more years of income. It's the ultimate "Win-Win" situation. Any other profession or industry would jump on this deal in a heart-beat. To be against this is putting your personal issues above the group, as a whole. If your a team-player, and are in reasonably good health, then you stand to gain a lot in terms of total income and increased retirement benefits. It's hard to look long-term when you're in you're thirties, but it looks like common sense is going to prevail to all of our benefit.

Win-Win???? Tell that to everyone who's been furloughed since 12 Dec 07.

5 Apr 10:

Age 70 being talked about already.

Something about a world wide
shortage of experienced pilots.

Just so everyone understands your motivations. You wish to fly until you fossilize.


Now, back to subject:
18 Dec 09:

Better do you homework. And put away your stapler.

Seniority would be worked out, by law, in arbitration.

If you don't want to have a fair merger integration, then don't buy
anybody. GET IT?

Arbitration may happen. It might not. I'm not betting on either outcome.

13 Apr 10:

Southwest is ranked #5 for "Quality", behind Airtran, Jetblue and NW.

Aeroflot had the #1 Brand for a while also.

It looks like kwick is not a big fan of his new employer.

27 Sep 10:

DOH would screw the majority of AirTran pilots.

A 1 for 1 blend or by relative seniority would be required to make this work.

OMG! Now THAT's truly delusional stuff. :laugh:

28 Sep 10:

Better wait to see how this pans out.

It should be a DL/NW type of SLI, but it could end up like US/AWA
or Muse Air/ATA

So you're aware of how bad this can go. You're not completely senile.

30 Sep 10

Hope that you can sell Airtran on DOH
Because arbitration will probably result
In relative seniority.

You still keep your pay, seat and
Domicile. What's your beef?
Your upgrade probably will be quicker as a result of the anticipated growth after the merger.


Growth after the merger.

... and back to totally delusional.

15 Nov 10:

I think stapling the SWA pilots to the AirTran list will be the likely
result because AT has international routes and more growth
potential.

Let's get it over with and move forward.

Or, relative seniority can be agreed to without arbitration, and no SW
pilot would lose any pay, or Captain seat, or upgrade potential.

Sounds like some SW guys think that an arbitrator is going to
take away AirTran Captain seats and F/O upgrade
potential and give it to them.

That would be an obvious "windfall" that will never happen.

... and now you're both senile and delusional.

 

[koko nw]

Andy....Well played sir.

 

[redflyer65]

Very nice indeed. I think kwick was taken to the wood shed.

RF

 

[Sacha]

Andy....Well played sir.

I second that. That was too funny......but a little scary as well.