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[outtahere]

My assumption was based on a monthly total, so 5 dollars a paycheck. It still adds up! Most pilots I talk to are already fed up with ALPA, first the age 65, now this! If they need to raise money, they need to start at the top down and start cutting expenditures, namely their own compensation. Then if they still need more we can talk. Until then, keep your hands off of my money!

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I agree that it's crappy for ALPA to tap the 401k.

The reason they are doing this instead of just raising the direct dues is that they think pilots won't notice. It's a "back door" increase. Why not go for an open dues increase? This comes across as greedy and sneaky. Again very crappy.

If ALPA intends to do business this way, they may find themselves in an even more tenuous situation then they already are.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Here is a list of everyone at ALPA who makes over $200k from 2006. Found at www.unionfacts.org

Air Line Pilots (ALPA)
National Headquarters Officers & Employees

Name Title Salary Benefits
& Other Total
Compensation
Duane Woerth President $ 348,345 $ 137,066 $ 485,411
Jalmer Johnson General Manager $ 391,742 $ 3,712 $ 395,454
Jonathan Cohen Chief Counsel/dir Legal $ 377,743 $ 4,898 $ 382,641
Bruce York Director, Representation $ 352,122 $ 27,464 $ 379,586
Paul Hallisay Director, Gov't Affairs $ 322,343 $ 8,305 $ 330,648
Kevin Barnhurst Director, Finance $ 309,347 $ 11,866 $ 321,213
William Roberts Asst Dir, Representation $ 296,480 $ 15,608 $ 312,088
Don Skiados Director, Communications $ 302,978 $ 7,476 $ 310,454
Jim Johnson Sr Managing Attorney $ 285,685 $ 13,223 $ 298,908
Jeffrey Small Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 238,305 $ 44,555 $ 282,860
Keith Hagy Director, E&as $ 272,853 $ 4,024 $ 276,877
Liz Koby Sr Managing Attorney $ 263,999 $ 12,064 $ 276,063
Dennis Dolan First Vice-president $ 0 $ 273,875 $ 273,875
Dave Vance Director, R&i $ 267,768 $ 3,982 $ 271,750
Seth Rosen Director, Ipsc $ 229,472 $ 36,888 $ 266,360
Jim Wilson Asst Dir, Representation $ 253,410 $ 7,846 $ 261,256
Bob Christy Manager, Econ & Financial $ 230,553 $ 23,262 $ 253,815
Ana Mcahron-schulz Dir, Econ & Fin Anal $ 230,572 $ 18,825 $ 249,397
Patrick Brennaman Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 229,600 $ 8,658 $ 238,258
Bob Lipsey Pension Inv Coordinator $ 234,656 $ 54 $ 234,710
Robert Nichols Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 227,335 $ 4,446 $ 231,781
Russ Bailey Sr. Attorney $ 227,304 $ 3,038 $ 230,342
Marcus Migliore Managing Attorney $ 219,650 $ 4,883 $ 224,533
Betty Ginsburg Managing Attorney $ 219,088 $ 2,997 $ 222,085
Clay Warner Managing Attorney $ 219,733 $ 1,896 $ 221,629
Russell Woody Sr Benefits Attorney, R&i $ 208,478 $ 11,905 $ 220,383
Charlie Murphy Director, It & Services $ 213,633 $ 3,744 $ 217,377
Stephen Nagrotsky Sr Contract Administrator $ 207,006 $ 5,302 $ 212,308
Art Luby Asst Dir, Representation $ 201,536 $ 8,235 $ 209,771
Richard Domholt Sr Contract Administrator $ 199,861 $ 6,489 $ 206,350

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Box Office... please.... using that information only shows freshman status....

I too agree that tapping the 401k is bad.

Let's look at DW on your list form the union busting website.....

Duane Woerth President $ 348,345 + $ 137,066 = $ 485,411


He made 348K working 12 hour days, 7 days a week, doing something 99% of us line pilots can't do. Most senior line pilots choose the 15+ days off a month, fly 3 or four trips.. call in sick for a couple, plus 4+ weeks vacation... you can see who is working his tail off and who isn't...

The 137K is expenses to live in DC. Since NWA didn't give him per deim, he was given that too. Should the President be able to wine and dine people in DC? I think he should with moderation...

In addition, the 137K is taxed by the IRS. Should you pay taxes on your company paid per deim? Should you pay taxes on the cost of van transportation to the hotels on every overnight? Should you pay tax on the value of every hotel you stay at on your overnights for the company?


Please be responsbile as you distribute information.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Box Office... please.... using that information only shows freshman status....

I too agree that tapping the 401k is bad.

Let's look at DW on your list form the union busting website.....

Duane Woerth President $ 348,345 + $ 137,066 = $ 485,411


He made 348K working 12 hour days, 7 days a week, doing something 99% of us line pilots can't do. Most senior line pilots choose the 15+ days off a month, fly 3 or four trips.. call in sick for a couple, plus 4+ weeks vacation... you can see who is working his tail off and who isn't...

The 137K is expenses to live in DC. Since NWA didn't give him per deim, he was given that too. Should the President be able to wine and dine people in DC? I think he should with moderation...

In addition, the 137K is taxed by the IRS. Should you pay taxes on your company paid per deim? Should you pay taxes on the cost of van transportation to the hotels on every overnight? Should you pay tax on the value of every hotel you stay at on your overnights for the company?


Please be responsbile as you distribute information.

Don't talk down to me as though I'm your child. Your constant condescension to everyone who challenges your ideals is tiring.

My point was that a lot of the people in Herndon make money that is excessive compared to what the pilots who support them now make.

In the days when a senior Delta or Northwest pilot made $300k+ a year I could see it. But not now. With all of the bankruptcies and pay cuts we have endured, I think our union leadership should also endure some "shared sacrifice". And maybe then, they wouldn't be back dooring us into a dues increase.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I don't support Dues from the 401k.

If it is to happen then National needs to take a paycut.

In addition, 401k dues needs to be addressed at the 2008BOD.

Are we talking out both sides of our mouths, Rez?

 

[aussiefly]

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

Spot on Box!

Don't talk down to me as though I'm your child. Your constant condescension to everyone who challenges your ideals is tiring.

My point was that a lot of the people in Herndon make money that is excessive compared to what the pilots who support them now make.

In the days when a senior Delta or Northwest pilot made $300k+ a year I could see it. But not now. With all of the bankruptcies and pay cuts we have endured, I think our union leadership should also endure some "shared sacrifice". And maybe then, they wouldn't be back dooring us into a dues increase.

 

[Sawmill]

Isnt that just like a liberal (group)?!?! Raise "taxes" instead of cut spending.
Anyone care to guess whats going to happen if Hil or Barak becomes Prez?

 

[DoinTime]

My point was that a lot of the people in Herndon make money that is excessive compared to what the pilots who support them now make.

In the days when a senior Delta or Northwest pilot made $300k+ a year I could see it. But not now. With all of the bankruptcies and pay cuts we have endured, I think our union leadership should also endure some "shared sacrifice". And maybe then, they wouldn't be back dooring us into a dues increase.

"Excessive" compensation is subject to perspective. I don't instantly assume that anyone paid more than me is overpaid. Unlike us sorry saps the executive/legal staffs at ALPA are not bound by a seniority list. They command a good wage because thats the market price and if they don't get it it they vote with their feet. You have any idea what a good attorney can make it the DC area? I'll give you a hint, its more than any pilot could dream of making in a cockpit.

Wages throughout ALPA have been stagnant for years and the staffers are taking their skills elsewhere. Many very talented, experienced people have already left and many other have head hunters out looking for them.

Here is a fact plain and simple. If measures such as these are not taken there will be a dues increase to well above 2%.

 

[Bdfg1]

"Wages throughout ALPA have been stagnant for years"-and pilot salaries have been in decline for years.

"Here is a fact plain and simple. If measures such as these are not taken there will be a dues increase to well above 2%."-And here is an idea plain and simple. Operate within your budget. Pilots and other working Americans do this every day of the year and still some how, some way they manage. Odd isn't it?

 

[DoinTime]

"Wages throughout ALPA have been stagnant for years"-and pilot salaries have been in decline for years.

I tired to clarify this in my prior post. A PILOT'S PAIN IS NOT A STAFFER'S PAIN. Clearly a decline in membership and member salaries have created this financial quagmire but the STAFFER'S DON'T CARE! If you can't pay an employee that can competitively market themselves a competitive wage you will lose that employee and you won't find an equally qualified person to ever fill that job (I don't think career pilots will ever understand this philosophy). ALPA already pays on the bottom end of what can be had on the job market.

"Here is a fact plain and simple. If measures such as these are not taken there will be a dues increase to well above 2%."-And here is an idea plain and simple. Operate within your budget. Pilots and other working Americans do this every day of the year and still some how, some way they manage. Odd isn't it?

If you are ok with cutting programs such as aeromedical or new property organizing please pass that idea on to your status reps and MEC. In the face of declining revenues programs must be cut. If nothing can be found to cut then dues must be increased. I don't like it anymore than anyone else but ALPA cannot maintain budget deficits like the government can. Something has to break.

I would have thought the $5 million dollar allotments to both United and Continental out of the MCF would have been much more offensive to the average regional pilot. Neither of these airlines are at their amendable dates yet and one has yet to break ground on negotiations.

 

[Bdfg1]

the STAFFER'S DON'T CARE!

Probably a good indicator as to why ALPA is in the position it finds itself.

 

[DX Rick]

Save your little speaches about "Prater working 12 hours a day, 7 days a week speech"
If Prater or Worthless worked as hard as you claim they do, why don't we have Crew Pass Yet? Why hasn't Time and Duty been fixed? (They've been working on that since the 1970's)

Like RiddleEagle said in another thread
"Why do I feel like I need a Union to protect me from my Union?"

 

[JoeMerchant]

Raising our dues....yet I don't see the national officers taking a paycut....This isn't going to go over well....

Time for a few more to leave ALPA....

 

[CopilotDoug]

The Sky Is Falling!!!

What I think you fail to realize how horribly screwed we all are if ALPA goes bankrupt.

:laugh:Thanks, I needed a good laugh today

 

[mtsupilot376]

I think I'm going to call up J.P. Morgan and cancel the 401k, roll it over to a ROTH IRA, and just invest post tax income.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Don't talk down to me as though I'm your child. Your constant condescension to everyone who challenges your ideals is tiring.

No problem... just don't use a union busting website to bust our union?

Do you care about your fellow union sisters and bothers or do you want to be a union buster?

My point was that a lot of the people in Herndon make money that is excessive compared to what the pilots who support them now make.

Aside from emotional satisfaction... what would we gain by forcing cuts on ALPA staff.

In the days when a senior Delta or Northwest pilot made $300k+ a year I could see it. But not now. With all of the bankruptcies and pay cuts we have endured, I think our union leadership should also endure some "shared sacrifice". And maybe then, they wouldn't be back dooring us into a dues increase.

If you want cuts, then push for ALPA national officer cuts. The 2008BOD is this fall... the trick is you have to get involved. You got to get political.

There are plenty of people that think you should take more pay cuts... they do not care what you make. So will you do it? And if not then why do you expect National too...

Sitting around wishing National take cuts doesn't do much.

But let's say they do.... what do we gain? What happens the next day?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Save your little speaches about "Prater working 12 hours a day, 7 days a week speech"
If Prater or Worthless worked as hard as you claim they do, why don't we have Crew Pass Yet? Why hasn't Time and Duty been fixed? (They've been working on that since the 1970's)

Maybe that will give you an idea of where ALPA falls in the pecking order in this country.

If it is so easy... whay don't you do it?

Like RiddleEagle said in another thread
"Why do I feel like I need a Union to protect me from my Union?"

Because every member acts like an independent contractor. Until pilots start looking ou for each other all we will be doing is screwing each other...

Management knows this and plays us against each other..

 

[rightrudder]

It seems to me if we now have fewer members, it would require fewer staff to service the reduced number of members. Maybe they can get rid of one of the attorneys, and other staff that are no longer needed.

 

[DoinTime]

It seems to me if we now have fewer members, it would require fewer staff to service the reduced number of members. Maybe they can get rid of one of the attorneys, and other staff that are no longer needed.

Staff head count has already been reduced and it will probably be reduced even more but not that many people work at ALPA so the savings is minimal. The cash short falls are on the order of tens of millions of dollars. This isn't like balancing your checkbook.