ALPA love

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Took me a couple minutes to figure that one out. I don't know how it is humanly possible for Lindsey to play that guitar track all by himself. Just incredible.

LB is quite the rocker... too bad he wasted allot of his talent on nose candy etc..


I don't care for ALPA going after dues money via the 401k. Might have to get a grassroots movement going for the 2008BOD.


The reason why ALPA is doing this is because we all failed.

The leadership failed to keep ALPA together. (USAPA)
The membership failed to keep ALPA together.

I'd rather all of us work a bit harder and keep our money then get tapped in the the 401k.


Then again maybe this is what the membership need to to reach critical mass..... if the do... will they be smarter than the USAPA guys and fix the problems instead of switching the name.

 

[9rj9]

You fail at reading comprehension. They get their cut of your contributions, not earnings.

No you fail at basic investing, if they take your contibution you never get the earnings on that two percent they took. It may not seem like alot each month but you lose the time value of the money that could have been earning interest for you.

They will have no problem passing this since most pilots don't understand the first thing about money except they don't make enough of it and they always let someone else have it.

Go spend a nickle and educate yourself or you will forever be giving your money away to those much smarter than you.

 

[sweptback]

No you fail at basic investing, if they take your contibution you never get the earnings on that two percent they took. It may not seem like alot each month but you lose the time value of the money that could have been earning interest for you.

They will have no problem passing this since most pilots don't understand the first thing about money except they don't make enough of it and they always let someone else have it.

Go spend a nickle and educate yourself or you will forever be giving your money away to those much smarter than you.

No, you still don't understand. ALPA currently gets 1.95% of your wages minus 401k. If this changes, you will pay 1.95% of your wages. This will still be a deduction on a line-item on your paycheck, just like medical insurance is. Your 401k contribution will still be at the level you set (6, 8, 10%, whatever), and while your take-home pay will be reduced slightly, your 401k contributions will not be.

What you're trying to say is that, say, when your medical insurance premium changes, that the difference comes out of your 401k contribution. Obviously that doesn't happen... so why would a change in union dues be any different? If you decide you can't stand losing the $2 or $3 a paycheck in difference (and that's all the difference works out to be), and you decide to reduce your 401k contributions accordingly, it's your fault your long-term gains are diminished.

 

[outtahere]

No, you still don't understand. ALPA currently gets 1.95% of your wages minus 401k. If this changes, you will pay 1.95% of your wages. This will still be a deduction on a line-item on your paycheck, just like medical insurance is. Your 401k contribution will still be at the level you set (6, 8, 10%, whatever), and while your take-home pay will be reduced slightly, your 401k contributions will not be.

What you're trying to say is that, say, when your medical insurance premium changes, that the difference comes out of your 401k contribution. Obviously that doesn't happen... so why would a change in union dues be any different? If you decide you can't stand losing the $2 or $3 a paycheck in difference (and that's all the difference works out to be), and you decide to reduce your 401k contributions accordingly, it's your fault your long-term gains are diminished.

Actually it is about 10 to 15 dollars if you are a captain, that adds up over a 30 to 40 year career. They get enough already, Prater needs to cut his comp. by 30 to 40% to be inline with the average Continental pilot, then we will talk about extra dues, until that time keep your grubby paws off my cash!!

 

[sweptback]

Actually it is about 10 to 15 dollars if you are a captain, that adds up over a 30 to 40 year career.

I sincerely doubt that most regional pilots put anywhere between $512-$770 a paycheck in their 401k.

Putting $512/paycheck would almost max your contributions out, and that's only $10 in dues. If you put $770/check ($15 in dues) you would have to quit midway through the year since you would go over the limit.

I'm not supporting the change, I don't like it either. I just hate misinformation, and I really think that either way it's so little money that it probably doesn't matter to the average pilot.

 

[outtahere]

My assumption was based on a monthly total, so 5 dollars a paycheck. It still adds up! Most pilots I talk to are already fed up with ALPA, first the age 65, now this! If they need to raise money, they need to start at the top down and start cutting expenditures, namely their own compensation. Then if they still need more we can talk. Until then, keep your hands off of my money!

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I agree that it's crappy for ALPA to tap the 401k.

The reason they are doing this instead of just raising the direct dues is that they think pilots won't notice. It's a "back door" increase. Why not go for an open dues increase? This comes across as greedy and sneaky. Again very crappy.

If ALPA intends to do business this way, they may find themselves in an even more tenuous situation then they already are.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Here is a list of everyone at ALPA who makes over $200k from 2006. Found at www.unionfacts.org

Air Line Pilots (ALPA)
National Headquarters Officers & Employees

Name Title Salary Benefits
& Other Total
Compensation
Duane Woerth President $ 348,345 $ 137,066 $ 485,411
Jalmer Johnson General Manager $ 391,742 $ 3,712 $ 395,454
Jonathan Cohen Chief Counsel/dir Legal $ 377,743 $ 4,898 $ 382,641
Bruce York Director, Representation $ 352,122 $ 27,464 $ 379,586
Paul Hallisay Director, Gov't Affairs $ 322,343 $ 8,305 $ 330,648
Kevin Barnhurst Director, Finance $ 309,347 $ 11,866 $ 321,213
William Roberts Asst Dir, Representation $ 296,480 $ 15,608 $ 312,088
Don Skiados Director, Communications $ 302,978 $ 7,476 $ 310,454
Jim Johnson Sr Managing Attorney $ 285,685 $ 13,223 $ 298,908
Jeffrey Small Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 238,305 $ 44,555 $ 282,860
Keith Hagy Director, E&as $ 272,853 $ 4,024 $ 276,877
Liz Koby Sr Managing Attorney $ 263,999 $ 12,064 $ 276,063
Dennis Dolan First Vice-president $ 0 $ 273,875 $ 273,875
Dave Vance Director, R&i $ 267,768 $ 3,982 $ 271,750
Seth Rosen Director, Ipsc $ 229,472 $ 36,888 $ 266,360
Jim Wilson Asst Dir, Representation $ 253,410 $ 7,846 $ 261,256
Bob Christy Manager, Econ & Financial $ 230,553 $ 23,262 $ 253,815
Ana Mcahron-schulz Dir, Econ & Fin Anal $ 230,572 $ 18,825 $ 249,397
Patrick Brennaman Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 229,600 $ 8,658 $ 238,258
Bob Lipsey Pension Inv Coordinator $ 234,656 $ 54 $ 234,710
Robert Nichols Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 227,335 $ 4,446 $ 231,781
Russ Bailey Sr. Attorney $ 227,304 $ 3,038 $ 230,342
Marcus Migliore Managing Attorney $ 219,650 $ 4,883 $ 224,533
Betty Ginsburg Managing Attorney $ 219,088 $ 2,997 $ 222,085
Clay Warner Managing Attorney $ 219,733 $ 1,896 $ 221,629
Russell Woody Sr Benefits Attorney, R&i $ 208,478 $ 11,905 $ 220,383
Charlie Murphy Director, It & Services $ 213,633 $ 3,744 $ 217,377
Stephen Nagrotsky Sr Contract Administrator $ 207,006 $ 5,302 $ 212,308
Art Luby Asst Dir, Representation $ 201,536 $ 8,235 $ 209,771
Richard Domholt Sr Contract Administrator $ 199,861 $ 6,489 $ 206,350

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Box Office... please.... using that information only shows freshman status....

I too agree that tapping the 401k is bad.

Let's look at DW on your list form the union busting website.....

Duane Woerth President $ 348,345 + $ 137,066 = $ 485,411


He made 348K working 12 hour days, 7 days a week, doing something 99% of us line pilots can't do. Most senior line pilots choose the 15+ days off a month, fly 3 or four trips.. call in sick for a couple, plus 4+ weeks vacation... you can see who is working his tail off and who isn't...

The 137K is expenses to live in DC. Since NWA didn't give him per deim, he was given that too. Should the President be able to wine and dine people in DC? I think he should with moderation...

In addition, the 137K is taxed by the IRS. Should you pay taxes on your company paid per deim? Should you pay taxes on the cost of van transportation to the hotels on every overnight? Should you pay tax on the value of every hotel you stay at on your overnights for the company?


Please be responsbile as you distribute information.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Box Office... please.... using that information only shows freshman status....

I too agree that tapping the 401k is bad.

Let's look at DW on your list form the union busting website.....

Duane Woerth President $ 348,345 + $ 137,066 = $ 485,411


He made 348K working 12 hour days, 7 days a week, doing something 99% of us line pilots can't do. Most senior line pilots choose the 15+ days off a month, fly 3 or four trips.. call in sick for a couple, plus 4+ weeks vacation... you can see who is working his tail off and who isn't...

The 137K is expenses to live in DC. Since NWA didn't give him per deim, he was given that too. Should the President be able to wine and dine people in DC? I think he should with moderation...

In addition, the 137K is taxed by the IRS. Should you pay taxes on your company paid per deim? Should you pay taxes on the cost of van transportation to the hotels on every overnight? Should you pay tax on the value of every hotel you stay at on your overnights for the company?


Please be responsbile as you distribute information.

Don't talk down to me as though I'm your child. Your constant condescension to everyone who challenges your ideals is tiring.

My point was that a lot of the people in Herndon make money that is excessive compared to what the pilots who support them now make.

In the days when a senior Delta or Northwest pilot made $300k+ a year I could see it. But not now. With all of the bankruptcies and pay cuts we have endured, I think our union leadership should also endure some "shared sacrifice". And maybe then, they wouldn't be back dooring us into a dues increase.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I don't support Dues from the 401k.

If it is to happen then National needs to take a paycut.

In addition, 401k dues needs to be addressed at the 2008BOD.

Are we talking out both sides of our mouths, Rez?

 

[aussiefly]

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

Spot on Box!

Don't talk down to me as though I'm your child. Your constant condescension to everyone who challenges your ideals is tiring.

My point was that a lot of the people in Herndon make money that is excessive compared to what the pilots who support them now make.

In the days when a senior Delta or Northwest pilot made $300k+ a year I could see it. But not now. With all of the bankruptcies and pay cuts we have endured, I think our union leadership should also endure some "shared sacrifice". And maybe then, they wouldn't be back dooring us into a dues increase.

 

[Sawmill]

Isnt that just like a liberal (group)?!?! Raise "taxes" instead of cut spending.
Anyone care to guess whats going to happen if Hil or Barak becomes Prez?

 

[DoinTime]

My point was that a lot of the people in Herndon make money that is excessive compared to what the pilots who support them now make.

In the days when a senior Delta or Northwest pilot made $300k+ a year I could see it. But not now. With all of the bankruptcies and pay cuts we have endured, I think our union leadership should also endure some "shared sacrifice". And maybe then, they wouldn't be back dooring us into a dues increase.

"Excessive" compensation is subject to perspective. I don't instantly assume that anyone paid more than me is overpaid. Unlike us sorry saps the executive/legal staffs at ALPA are not bound by a seniority list. They command a good wage because thats the market price and if they don't get it it they vote with their feet. You have any idea what a good attorney can make it the DC area? I'll give you a hint, its more than any pilot could dream of making in a cockpit.

Wages throughout ALPA have been stagnant for years and the staffers are taking their skills elsewhere. Many very talented, experienced people have already left and many other have head hunters out looking for them.

Here is a fact plain and simple. If measures such as these are not taken there will be a dues increase to well above 2%.

 

[Bdfg1]

"Wages throughout ALPA have been stagnant for years"-and pilot salaries have been in decline for years.

"Here is a fact plain and simple. If measures such as these are not taken there will be a dues increase to well above 2%."-And here is an idea plain and simple. Operate within your budget. Pilots and other working Americans do this every day of the year and still some how, some way they manage. Odd isn't it?