ALPA loses at Skywest

[capt. megadeth]

Exactly!

The next time YOU hear YOURSELF complaining about....

Your second 3 hour sit in ORD in two days, or
how bad the 36 hour layover you have in Peoria sucks, or
the six legs you have flown for 3 hours of pay with 14 hours of duty on your last day of a four day, or
how most of the trips suck, or
no good pairings anymore, or
no commutable lines, or
"they" have taken the "good" overnights away, or
"we" swapped hotels and this one sucks - why can't we change back to the old one, or
something that crew support did to you or wouldn't do for you, or
PBS screwed you and you had company forced trips, or
Sked+ issues, or
you didn't get that vacation approved, or
day off that you wanted, or
that pay issue that you are trying to get resolved was denied,

GO TALK TO YOUR SAPA REP.

I am sure that they won't be able to help you.

I don't want to hear about it.

 

[capt. megadeth]

AugerPtrl, owned by the pregnant chick. Megadeth, will you marry me?

Awwww, sorry sugarpie....I'm in love with and going to marry a very wonderful man (who works for Skywest which is why I hang out on the regionals board Augerptrl, you dumb$hit )...but that's very flattering. :blush:

 

[capt. megadeth]

Why did you come to skywest? STOP YOUR ********

Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think John works at Skywest.

 

[Gandalf]

I'd like to point out that there isn't a great deal that ALPA would be able to do about those issues, either. I recall a SkyWest captain on reserve and hating it, complaining to a captain from another airline at one of the meet-and-greet info days about sitting ready (and I do appreciate the efforts of everyone who donated their time to come and talk to us). That captain proudly opened his contract to show that crew scheduling at his airline could "by contract only schedule us for a maximum 7 hours of ready reserve per day". Big whup; but at least it was in black and white, right? ALPA doesn't tell the regionals where and when to fly, the mainline partners do, and scheds suck everywhere, regardless of representation. SkyWest does need a union. But ALPA failed to make their case, plain and simple, and the scare tactics of Jerry the boogyman taking everything away didn't work. It also didn't help that almost every jumpseater I had from an ALPA-represented carrier (Eagle, United, Delta, etc.) told my crew that we ought to think twice about ALPA.

Yes, but at what point do we do something about our situation? You say Skywest needs a union? Which one? An attempt was already made to have an in house union such as the great Southwest, but that failed miserably. What union is going to approach Skywest now? What union would Skywest try to get?

So, again - where is the line when we man up and do something about it instead of b!tch about it. I guarantee that right now as we sit, there is a Skywest pilot on an airplane, in a crew lounge, or on an overnight complaining about the things I mentioned. As all of us, me included - do.

What right do any of us have to complain about anything that happens to us? How do justify that? You can't b!tch and complain on one hand about things that the company is doing and then not do anything about it.

Either we as lowly employees should shut the F-up and let the company do what it needs to do to make JA and the board money - cuz' remember, no matter how many fuzzies we get from them - It is a business.

In that case, we should NEVER b!tch, complain, moan, try to guess and second guess what they are doing, NEVER get involved in changing things - no matter what the cost or inconvience to us as employees. Because to do so would interfere with the goal of running a business to make a profit.

or....

If we want to have the right to control ANY part of our destiny as employees of Skywest, then it our duty to get involved and partipate.

The problem with SAPA is as much as we "partipate" in the process it does us no good. You as a dedicated, informed employee can cast your vote on a pay proposal but if SGU doesn't want to abide by it, "they" won't. And there is absolutely no provisions for us as employees to appeal that process.

We are along for the ride. "They" will run the company in the manner best to make money for the board. Plain and Simple. Black and White. Cut and Dry. Nothing personal, just business. Any issues you or I care about do not matter - Everything that has been discussed ad nauseum on this board doesn't matter to them.

Just - How are those things affecting the bottom line?

So, my point is - next time you are mad or disappointed that the company is doing something to you that you don't like or agree with, keep those thoughts to yourself and be glad you have a job.

If you want the right to change things or to voice your displeasure at the company for; PBS, the pairings, your 3 hour sits in ORD, etc, etc, etc...
Then we have to figure out a way to HAVE a voice.

Until then........Clock in, Fly Safe, Go Home.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Great post Gandalf. I agree 100% I just can't be that tactful about it....tee hee

 

[BE90flyer]

I worked at Air Wisconsin, an ALPA airline for three years. Maybe I am just confused by all this love for ALPA. Can someone help?

Your second 3 hour sit in ORD in two days,
*We had these all the time

how bad the 36 hour layover you have in Peoria sucks
*I remember spending a few days in Peoria


how most of the trips suck, or
*Most of our trips did suck


no commutable lines
*I left the Air Willy due to this reason

"they" have taken the "good" overnights away, or
"we" swapped hotels and this one sucks - why can't we change back to the old one,
*yes and yes

something that crew support did to you or wouldn't do for you,
*I have a few stories to tell

you didn't get that vacation approved
*Nope, didn’t get the vacation I wanted

day off that you wanted,
*only if I found someone to switch with me

that pay issue that you are trying to get resolved was denied,
*huh, I think we are famous for this issue now

For the love of god, what did ALPA do for me? Oh sorry REZ I know I should be asking what did I do for ALPA. I think I get it now.......ITS ALL MY FAULT.

 

[capt. megadeth]

BE90....I really don't think it's about any "love" for ALPA. Anyone in their right mind knows they are a business these days too. Unfortunately, that is the choice presented for the most part......trust management or trust ALPA. If you vote against the union, you are basically saying you would rather have management make your choices for you. IMO, it would be great to have some sort of regional union but noone's stepping up to the plate with that one (Lord knows I wouldn't have the slightest clue as to how to go about it). It's about the lesser of two evils. I mean, when you vote for president of the U.S., do you really trust either of them or do you just vote for the lesser of the crooks?

 

[Gandalf]

I worked at Air Wisconsin, an ALPA airline for three years. Maybe I am just confused by all this love for ALPA. Can someone help?

Your second 3 hour sit in ORD in two days,
*We had these all the time

how bad the 36 hour layover you have in Peoria sucks
*I remember spending a few days in Peoria


how most of the trips suck, or
*Most of our trips did suck


no commutable lines
*I left the Air Willy due to this reason

"they" have taken the "good" overnights away, or
"we" swapped hotels and this one sucks - why can't we change back to the old one,
*yes and yes

something that crew support did to you or wouldn't do for you,
*I have a few stories to tell

you didn't get that vacation approved
*Nope, didn’t get the vacation I wanted

day off that you wanted,
*only if I found someone to switch with me

that pay issue that you are trying to get resolved was denied,
*huh, I think we are famous for this issue now

For the love of god, what did ALPA do for me? Oh sorry REZ I know I should be asking what did I do for ALPA. I think I get it now.......ITS ALL MY FAULT.

All right, again......... I'll type slowly..................

It is NOT LOVE for ALPA. It is dissapointment at what we have, actually do not have.

It is a desire to see things get done. It is a desire to make Skywest a little better for the employees.

Not just put the blinders on, Get Mine, and Get out!

It is a wish that us as pilots are actually represented when talking to management.

It is again the questions of What Now?

Status Quo?

If you actually read and Understood my post, I am well aware that these things happen at other regionals.
In fact, if you were astute enough to realize that those things I listed was NOT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT, you might have actually got it.

The point is, no one at Skywest has any right to complain about things here, because we (as a pilot group) have done nothing and continue to do nothing to improve our situation.

The point is...I don't want to hear about the complaints we all have, because we have no right to complain. We just voted for the status quo. We voted to again have no real representation.

Until we can step up to the same table as management and be heard, then all of the "they did this to me", or "this sucks" crap - is just "noise".

 

[COOPERVANE]

How do blind people know when to stop wiping their a$$?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Why did you come to skywest? STOP YOUR B@TCHING

I didn't come to SkyWest by choice. I was forced.

I work for ASA and unfortunately, SkyWest Inc. bought my company. Thusly, I'll bitch all I want to.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Does SKYW have ASAP?

Does ASA?

 

[BE90flyer]

are basically saying you would rather have management make your choices for you. crooks?

No, they make their choices. They own and operate the business and YOU work for them. A simple fact that most of you forget.

Thanks for typing slower, this me me me me me attitude is making me dizzy. My point was that ALPA did nothing to improve the quality of life at Air Willy. Things are getting worse at Air Willy. What is ALPA doing to fix things?

How many people will quit SkyWest after the vote? Not many because SkyWest is a lot better then Air Willy, Pinnacle or Mesa.

See I wrote this without any personal attacks. Non union people can do that, can you?

 

[capt. megadeth]

See I wrote this without any personal attacks. Non union people can do that, can you?

No, I can't. See...you are either with us or with them.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Thanks for typing slower, this me me me me me attitude is making me dizzy. My point was that ALPA did nothing to improve the quality of life at Air Willy. Things are getting worse at Air Willy. What is ALPA doing to fix things?

Can some one update me on the "refund' check the Air Willy guys were getting?

The previous Air Willy contracts were could enough for Jerry to consider when he came up with your pay rate...

Why is Jerry having a labor contract with the BOD but you don't have one with him.... NO SKYW PILOT HAS YET TO ANSWER THIS!!!!!

 

[capt. megadeth]

Thanks for typing slower, this me me me me me attitude is making me dizzy. My point was that ALPA did nothing to improve the quality of life at Air Willy. Things are getting worse at Air Willy. What is ALPA doing to fix things?

I don't know if you are insinuating that I have a me me me attitude, but just in case you are....

I don't, or have I ever worked for and ALPA carrier so why should I care anyway? Why? Because I give a crap about the lives of others...I know, it's a crazy concept but when someone (usually management) screws my fellow pilots, whether it's at Mesa, World, etc., it bothers me and makes me mad. You see it's called the concept of sticking together, something management has mastered, but for some reason, pilots have not.

You ask what is ALPA doing to fix things? What is management doing to fix things?

 

[BirdCatcher]

I don't know if you are insinuating that I have a me me me attitude, but just in case you are....

I don't, or have I ever worked for and ALPA carrier so why should I care anyway? Why? Because I give a crap about the lives of others...I know, it's a crazy concept but when someone (usually management) screws my fellow pilots, whether it's at Mesa, World, etc., it bothers me and makes me mad. You see it's called the concept of sticking together, something management has mastered, but for some reason, pilots have not.

You ask what is ALPA doing to fix things? What is management doing to fix things?

What a concept, imagine if more were to understand...

 

[Gandalf]

Food for thought: All of you out there that are ALPA/Union haters that work for a non-union airline, or wish to work for a non-union airline. I hope you are happy and I sure hope that nothing happens in this industry to have you change employers.

US ALPA
Alaska, Aloha, AWA/USAir, ASTAR Air Cargo, ATA, Atlas Air Cargo, Continental, Delta ,Evergreen, FedEx, Gemini Air Cargo, Hawaiian, Kitty Hawk Cargo, Midwest Airlines, Northwest Airlines, Polar Air Cargo, Spirit, Sun Country, United

US - other Unions
American, AirTran, Frontier, Southwest, USA3000, ABX Air Cargo, UPS, Kalitta Air Cargo, World Air Cargo, NetJets, Flight Options

International Countries – Check out www.ifalpa.org
Algeria, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Caribbean, Chile, Columbia, Finland, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Iceland, India, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, LeeWard Islands, Luxemborg, Malaysia, Mauritius, Mexico, Morocco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Pakistan, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, Trinidad & Tobago, Turkey, U.K., and Yugoslavia.

This list is not an exhaustive list…..

Hmmm….Not too many choices at THIS career level to work without some sort of union represenation.

Could it be that JA, BH, and CC have figured out some magic potion or formula in SGU that thousands if not millions of pilots now and in the past have not?

Interesting that worldwide, crossing all language and cultural differences commercial pilots choose time and time again to have union represenation.

If it was so bad to have a union represent us, if this career did not need it, if pilots of all experience levels, backgrounds, nationalities, religious, and cultural differences decided that it wasn’t right - then why do we find this list?

Are you going to let the "bad" experience of your first foray into this industry determine which company you work for? Are you never going to date even though you had a messy divorce? What a stupid question. Wait.........Hmmm......

Are you going to stick to those laurels and never work for a union represented airline/company? If so, that list is small my friends. Will I pass you in an airport terminal someday wearing the dreaded uniform of those on this list?

Why do pilots worldwide, choose to have union represenation?

 

[BigLebowski]

Thank God its over. But all the whinny a@# APLA supporters will never shut up but we can hope most of them leave SOON


I guess they want jobs at an ALPA carrier right??

No better than Gojet guys !!!

are you as dumb as you sound??? Do you even know the basis behind the creation of GoJet's?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

The previous Air Willy contracts were could enough for Jerry to consider when he came up with your pay rate...

Why is Jerry having a labor contract with the BOD but you don't have one with him.... NO SKYW PILOT HAS YET TO ANSWER THIS!!!!!

Rez,
I am a SKYW pilot, AirWis contracts(as well as every other top tier regional) were the template that our working agreement was created, the remains of our current agreement should tell you how good we HAD it. All the turdz that came from other ALPA carriers were jumping only for the quick upgrade, hence the looking out themselves behavior. They think if they parrot JA, BH and the rest of the management puppeteers, their quick upgrade will be there, and when they get it, they think their plan worked, it did, but it created a narrow mindset unable to think beyond their zipper. You see lots of selfish, me first, generation stupid, idiots came together in the perfect storm that is todays SKYW, chock full of the exact types you don't want anywhere your seniority list. Really think about it, even after all the things the company has taken from us, how good did we have it before they took these things away? Jerry has a contract because he is saavy, intelligent, smart, and everything the pilots(in majority) that he employs don't enjoy. Stop trying to change their minds, keep them out of your crew seats. Don't worry about me after 10 years, I am getting out of this industry, too many morons for my liking.
PBR

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

PBR-

Since no SKYW pilot has the courage or ability to answer this...maybe you can....

Why can Jerry have a labor contract for his employment but not for the pilots?

Also, after the SKYW pilots get thier quick upgrade then what? Goals obtained are not motivators!!