ALPA FT/DT Recommendations - WRITE ALPA NOW!

[Bringupthebird]

Wolfpack reminds me of the tea beggars or as they like to be called TEA party members. Afraid of change and seeing any new ideas and reasons only in the form of absolutes.

Yah, mein Furher. How is repeating thew same failed mistakes of the 1930's considered "change"? Why not seek improvement?

"Palin in '12. Keep the Change!"

 

[quinnlake]

Yah, mein Furher. How is repeating thew same failed mistakes of the 1930's considered "change"? Why not seek improvement?

"Palin in '12. Keep the Change!"

This is improvement! Look at the proposed duty tiimes in total.

 

[spitfire1500]

I think ALPA's proposal is excellent. Flying up to 9 hours of duty, only during peak circadian rhythm, and limiting the duty day, is a wonderful solution. It increases allowable productivity (pay) while not sacrificing safety in the slightest. In fact, it increases safety because the duty day is reduced and the 16-hour Whitlow limit is replaced with a stricter standard. Good all around.

I swear, some pilots will find a way to bitch about anything.

"Peak Circadian rhythm" they vary with time zone and flight schedule. You fly to Osan Japan then do some domestic and try to figure out when your going to "peak".

 

[PCL_128]

"Peak Circadian rhythm" they vary with time zone and flight schedule. You fly to Osan Japan then do some domestic and try to figure out when your going to "peak".

ALPA's proposal is based on your domicile time zone.

 

[PUCK]

It was my understanding, talking to our union medical guy, that the 9 hours of flight is a hard time. Meaning no more of this "good-to-start-good-to-finish" crap. I'm 100% OK with that.

Lets be productive within the constraints of a lower duty period.

Jerry Bartelson

 

[Phrogs4ever]

Meaning no more of this "good-to-start-good-to-finish" crap. I'm 100% OK with that.

Jerry Bartelson

A point worth reiterating. That would be huge in and of itself.

 

[MCDU]

So, pilots will be diverting if it looks like they go over 9 hours.

Your EFC time is ..Can not accept. Will have to divert cause that will put us over 9 hours. We are declaring max time. Need direct airport or we might go over 9.

Do not mess with the 8 hour rule. We are opening up a can of worms if Alpa gives that away. Why do you think management likes the idea. Maybe its a way of getting rid of the flag IRO rule. Less pilots needed with the 9 hour. whatever, lets just keep on giving. Its the ALPA way.

M

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Do not mess with the 8 hour rule. We are opening up a can of worms if Alpa gives that away. Why do you think management likes the idea. Maybe its a way of getting rid of the flag IRO rule. Less pilots needed with the 9 hour. whatever, lets just keep on giving. Its the ALPA way.

M

Agreed. An 8hr hard flight time limit sounds good to me. I think the ALPA folks need to get out and fly the line more. They seem to be out of touch with a lot of fatigue issues.

 

[PCL_128]

Agreed. An 8hr hard flight time limit sounds good to me. I think the ALPA folks need to get out and fly the line more. They seem to be out of touch with a lot of fatigue issues.

The ALPA reps on the ARC that recommended these times all fly the line every month, except for Capt. Wycoff. The other reps are line pilots.

 

[JohnQ]

So, pilots will be diverting if it looks like they go over 9 hours.

Your EFC time is ..Can not accept. Will have to divert cause that will put us over 9 hours. We are declaring max time. Need direct airport or we might go over 9.

Do not mess with the 8 hour rule. We are opening up a can of worms if Alpa gives that away. Why do you think management likes the idea. Maybe its a way of getting rid of the flag IRO rule. Less pilots needed with the 9 hour. whatever, lets just keep on giving. Its the ALPA way.

M

You guys need to take a deep breath. How can you think the current rules which allow for heinous duty hours (which are somehow acceptable because you are are only flying 8 hours) are great, but that these proposals, which will actually be MORE restrictive, but in limited cases allow more pilot productivity, are worse?

Quit being so "all change is bad, la la la" reactionary and at least give a little thought to the proposals here.

Or should we just go back to horse and buggies, because "them internal combustion contraptions just ain't as safe as a horse, by golly"?