ALPA BRP survey question

[Freight Dog]

Too many people said F**K NO to Age 65 to the point that it crashed the server.

 

[PCL_128]

Yep, that's the message that I got. I guess that there's more than one way to effect the results.

Relax, guys. I got the same message, and I'm a rep! It's not some crazy conspiracy.

I'll talk with someone in Herndon tomorrow to see if they can get it fixed.

 

[Freight Dog]

If it is self evident it is going to be changed, so be it.

But, ALPA can negotiate contracts that still require it, or make it so difficult that the airline will not want it.

That would never fly... if it becomes the law of the land that the mandatory retirement age for pilots gets raised to 65, various airlines won't be able to restrict their pilots from flying to 65 if they can hold their class 1 medical.

More likely scenario is that the pilot group will either take paycuts or get their retirement contributions/benefits slashed because they just got 5 more years to work.

I can just hear it...

Company: "If the average age at death is 75, and the retirement age was just raised to 65, we no longer need to fund 15 years worth of retirement, only 10. So we'll need to reduce your B-plan contribution from 10% to 5% to be competitive with Air Kazakhstan and Borat Airways."

ALPA: "If saying yes to that means we're upholding the highest pragmatic standards, by all means, where do we sign?"

The following month in the ALPA rag:

Geezer Airlines has reached a tentative agreement with its pilot group that recognizes the sacrifices of the pilot group, protects the job security and also gives the Company savings it needs to be competitive.

Then we'll be reading Flightinfo for some odd reason and our two Pinnacle brothers, Rez and PCL128 will be preaching how it was inevitable and it was in ALPA's interests to be pragmatic about the issue.

Around and around we go....

 

[Babylon]

I think it's great that the "hard working" that the $100K+/yr secretaries and advisors at ALPA National can't even get a simple computer survey to work. Good thing all of our money is going to good use! Yeah ALPA.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

This is a serious technical issue and hopefully will be fixed by mid-day tomorrow.

-Neal

 

[Andy]

Relax, guys. I got the same message, and I'm a rep! It's not some crazy conspiracy.

I'll talk with someone in Herndon tomorrow to see if they can get it fixed.

I'm sure it's not a conspiracy; I'm just not happy about the minimal advertisement.

What word would you choose to describe this failure of being able to vote?

 

[LJDRVR]

I got the same stupid message. Push the refresh button, worked for me.

 

[Neubyfly]

It's working now

 

[Freight Dog]

I went and tried to change my comments and I had to re-do the entire survey.

Did it drop the one taken before the crash?

 

[Occam's Razor]

Can we vote to strip Duane Woerth of his ALPA pension? Maybe that would change the perspective at the trough...er, I mean ALPA National. TC

Whoa!

What the heck are you talking about?

Duane opposed changing Age 60, and, this may come as a shock to you, is no longer the President of ALPA.

The new President of ALPA appears to be staunchly indifferent to changes to the rule. Maybe the guy running the show oughta be the target of your illogical scorn?

 

[1st Overnite]

Voted no to change. I thought I already did this once before and the majority said no to change.

I got a pamphlet from the "Blue Ribbon Panal" a couple of weeks ago. It seemed to me to be pro age 65 propaganda. Anyone else get that feeling?

 

[Falconjet]

Voted no to change. I thought I already did this once before and the majority said no to change.

I got a pamphlet from the "Blue Ribbon Panal" a couple of weeks ago. It seemed to me to be pro age 65 propaganda. Anyone else get that feeling?

That has been the feeling I have had ever since Prater came on the scene.

FJ

 

[PCL_128]

I'm sure it's not a conspiracy; I'm just not happy about the minimal advertisement.

Minimal advertisement? ALPA sent an email right to everyone to tell you to vote. It's also on the alpa.org website at the very frickin' top!!! What more do you want?

What word would you choose to describe this failure of being able to vote?

Simple technical difficulty.

 

[N2264J]

Here's what I wrote in the comments section:

We all knew the rules going in...

And how is that relevant to anything?

If I want to work 'till I'm 70 and can pass the physicals and checkrides,
that should be my choice.

If I can afford to walk away when I'm 56, that should be my choice.

I thought most commercial pilots were "be all you can be" self sufficient,
loathing those slopping at the public trough, republicans. What do you guys have against those who may want to work?

 

[shroomwell]

Poorly written survey. Clearly written with a bias. Here is how the survey should have looked:

Do you support changing the mandatory retirement age to more than 60 year old?

1. Yes
2. No

Add up the answers, get a consensus, and then get off your ass and lobby against it like ALPA should have been doing since after the last survey.