ALPA BRP survey question

[Freight Dog]

From ALPA BRP survey:

The FAA proposal involves a process called Notice of Proposed Rule Making or NPRM. During the NPRM phase, the FAA will consider comments by the general public and interested parties. Suppose that during the NPRM process, it became evident that the FAA is determined to change age 60 rule and that the rule will, in fact, change. Under these circumstances, how important do you feel it is for ALPA to be actively engaged in the rule-making process?

I just love how they spun this survey...

 

[TWA Dude]

The FAA said it will make the NPRM so it's self-evident. I just took the survey and I think it's above average for ALPA. For the record, I oppose the change.

 

[LearLove]

just took the survey - I oppose the change

 

[Falconjet]

Batting cleanup then I tried to homer it out of the park.

No way ALPA should support this possible change.

FJ

 

[LJDRVR]

I thought the survey was excellent. I'm glad they're doing more than just the WC polling.

Here's what I wrote in the comments section:

We all knew the rules going in, and I'll be damned if I'm going to forgoe upgrade and spend more time away from my family in order to make somebody whole, while the executives that ran his airline into the ground and scuttled our CBA's, walk off with their big bonus. I want my union to fight for these older guys. Not in the arena of working more years, but in the process of holding these airlines accountable for the promises they made their employees. I'm willing to expend negotiating capital for just that premise. I'm not willing to work till I die.

 

[Saabslime]

I'll tell ya how ALPA can get involved in the rule making process. Fight tooth and nail to keep the rule from ever seeing the light of day. Time to step up to the plate and support the views of the majority of the membership ALPA!!

 

[LearLove]

Time to step up to the plate and support the views of the majority of the membership ALPA!!

how many times have we filled out one of these surveys? myself thats the 3rd or 4th between the FAA, ALPA and the U MEC. Even when some of these guys try to scew the survey on favor of changing the rule the survey(s) clearly indicate the vast majority do not want a change.

Saabs right - time to stop trying to skew the results - its plain and clear what the professional 121 pilots in this country think. Leave it be. We have much bigger problems to be wasting time on age 60 anyway.

 

[AA717driver]

Can we vote to strip Duane Woerth of his ALPA pension? Maybe that would change the perspective at the trough...er, I mean ALPA National. TC

 

[luckytohaveajob]

I just completed the survey.

I wrote that ALPA's silence at every critical junction during the process thus far has been evidence of ALPA's promotion of age 65.

This is a civil war issue and I want to fight if a windfall is created for those that allowed their bankrupt carriers to destroy this professions potential.

Age 65 will do nothing but create a surplus of pilots lowering wages, eliminating retirement benefits, increasing medical insurance and LTD rates, and handing the companies another victory at the expense of hard working pilots.

 

[Andy]

The d@mned site won't let me vote. WTF? Not worthy to vote while on mil leave? Thanks, ALPA!

 

[~~~^~~~]

If it is self evident it is going to be changed, so be it.

But, ALPA can negotiate contracts that still require it, or make it so difficult that the airline will not want it.

For FedEx guys it is potentially a two million dollar difference in pay and benefits. It seems like an issue the pilots need to work out on their own seniority list.

 

[Doug Parker]

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No Waivers - No Favors !!!!!


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[ToThePain]

I too was unable to vote Andy and I am an active member. I keep getting the same message

'D:\inetpub\WWWroot\ballotpoint\SP_ALPA\cgi-bin\loginconfirm.pl' script produced no output

I have emailed ALPA regarding this issue. Hopefully it will be fixed.

 

[Andy]

I too was unable to vote Andy and I am an active member. I keep getting the same message

'D:\inetpub\WWWroot\ballotpoint\SP_ALPA\cgi-bin\loginconfirm.pl' script produced no output

I have emailed ALPA regarding this issue. Hopefully it will be fixed.

Yep, that's the message that I got. I guess that there's more than one way to effect the results.

 

[Furloughed80]

I am getting the same message.

 

[Freight Dog]

Too many people said F**K NO to Age 65 to the point that it crashed the server.

 

[PCL_128]

Yep, that's the message that I got. I guess that there's more than one way to effect the results.

Relax, guys. I got the same message, and I'm a rep! It's not some crazy conspiracy.

I'll talk with someone in Herndon tomorrow to see if they can get it fixed.

 

[Freight Dog]

If it is self evident it is going to be changed, so be it.

But, ALPA can negotiate contracts that still require it, or make it so difficult that the airline will not want it.

That would never fly... if it becomes the law of the land that the mandatory retirement age for pilots gets raised to 65, various airlines won't be able to restrict their pilots from flying to 65 if they can hold their class 1 medical.

More likely scenario is that the pilot group will either take paycuts or get their retirement contributions/benefits slashed because they just got 5 more years to work.

I can just hear it...

Company: "If the average age at death is 75, and the retirement age was just raised to 65, we no longer need to fund 15 years worth of retirement, only 10. So we'll need to reduce your B-plan contribution from 10% to 5% to be competitive with Air Kazakhstan and Borat Airways."

ALPA: "If saying yes to that means we're upholding the highest pragmatic standards, by all means, where do we sign?"

The following month in the ALPA rag:

Geezer Airlines has reached a tentative agreement with its pilot group that recognizes the sacrifices of the pilot group, protects the job security and also gives the Company savings it needs to be competitive.

Then we'll be reading Flightinfo for some odd reason and our two Pinnacle brothers, Rez and PCL128 will be preaching how it was inevitable and it was in ALPA's interests to be pragmatic about the issue.

Around and around we go....

 

[Babylon]

I think it's great that the "hard working" that the $100K+/yr secretaries and advisors at ALPA National can't even get a simple computer survey to work. Good thing all of our money is going to good use! Yeah ALPA.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

This is a serious technical issue and hopefully will be fixed by mid-day tomorrow.

-Neal