ALPA at Jetlbue

[BILL LUMBERG]

There was actually a brief Q&A exchange in the terminal before ALPA left. Here is the transcript.

Q. Why do we need a union?
A. Send in your dues money and we'll let you know.

Q. Why ALPA and not a different union?
A. Good question. Send in your dues money and we'll email you an answer.

Q. We are concerned about scope. What will ALPA do for us?
A. Scope is an important best discussed after you send your dues money in.

Q. What kind of accountability is there for the dues money we send in?
A. Trust us. (wink)

Q. How effective are you? Didn't DAL, NWA, USAir, and a few others get their clocks cleaned in bankruptcy? Why didn't you fight harder?
A. Hey buddy, we talked tough, and talking tough is strategy you can bank on. Speaking of bank, did you fill out your dues deduction form yet?

Q. Didn't John Prater support this change to age 65?
A. Ummmmm.....no.......that was some other union.
Q. No, I'm pretty sure it was John Prater and ALPA.
A. I said that was some other union now next question!!!

Q. Well what about these new, demeaning TSA molestations at security checkpoints? Did ALPA draw a line in the sand over that?
A. Darn right we did. We sent out a watered down email acknowledging pilots' "reservations and concerns." You see, right there......who else has ever acknowledged your reservations and concerns. THIS is why your investment in ALPA is a wise one. THIS is where your dues money pays off. As an idiot line pilot, all you have to do is send us your money so that the smart folks working in the offices in Herndon can think for you. I call that a win-win!

Oh yeah....don't forget that dues deduction form.

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The party broke up about then.

It was sad. After watching the ALPA sales job, I was really starting to warm to their business prowess.

Frank....

Love your posts but SWAPA had a LARGE hand in age 65....it's not ALL Prater's fault. Last I checked, SWAPA is in-house.....so, bad argument.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

JB was very involved with age 65.

 

[AKAAB]

JB was very involved with age 65.

And, they testified that they were representing all of the pilots at JetBlue. No one checked with me or anyone I've ever flown with about it before they started lobbying in Washington.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

And, they testified that they were representing all of the pilots at JetBlue. No one checked with me or anyone I've ever flown with about it before they started lobbying in Washington.

As a McDonald's crewmember, no one checked with me about my corporate officers testifying on minimum wage laws-- and they certainly didn't talk to me about bringing the McRib back either!!!

It's time for a fast food union!!! There should be a limit on how long I must work the fryer or flip burgers. And why should I wear hats if a hair net will do?

 

[Dizel8]

JB was very involved with age 65.

jetblue management was, plus a handful of pilots! Jetblue management, PR, AS, advocated for it and said the spoke for the pilots when nothing could be further from the truth. I asked both of them to ask the group and put it to a vote before they spoke, needless to say, they were not inclined to do so!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Hey Blue....

Spin the idea that you can hire an insubordinate General to be on your board and that allows you to speak up at those touchy feely people meetings when you want to voice your opinion......General Stan will understand.

Or you could get a union......

 

[Fins Up]

As a McDonald's crewmember, no one checked with me about my corporate officers testifying on minimum wage laws-- and they certainly didn't talk to me about bringing the McRib back either!!!

It's time for a fast food union!!! There should be a limit on how long I must work the fryer or flip burgers. And why should I wear hats if a hair net will do?

The average McDonalds worker is not planning on making a career there, has not spent years and possibly thousands of dollars gaining the experience and qualifications to do his job, and is not responsible for the lives of 150 people every time he goes to work. Your comparison is juuuuuust a little off base.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

As a McDonald's crewmember, no one checked with me about my corporate officers testifying on minimum wage laws-- and they certainly didn't talk to me about bringing the McRib back either!!!

It's time for a fast food union!!! There should be a limit on how long I must work the fryer or flip burgers. And why should I wear hats if a hair net will do?

Blue...............

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

As a McDonald's crewmember, no one checked with me about my corporate officers testifying on minimum wage laws-- and they certainly didn't talk to me about bringing the McRib back either!!!

It's time for a fast food union!!! There should be a limit on how long I must work the fryer or flip burgers. And why should I wear hats if a hair net will do?

Failed comparison. This isn't about asking pilots about consumer products and services like inflight TV and blue snack chips.

If your logic were sound, then you'd state something akin to McDonalds employees have the terms of their employment changed without their consent.

In this case, the JB pilots retirement age change was endorsed on their behalf by a representative not of their choosing. It is similar to a parent speaking for a child. The question is.. when are the JB pilots going to grow up and speak for themselves. If you need a lesson on the patriarch syndrome, just ask.

However, the JB pilots can find solace in that the Skywest pilots have Roger Cohen, the fake bake tool speak for them via the RAA....

The JB pilots can continue to allow the ATA to speak for them.....

What I find insulting is the JB pilots earn revenue for JB. JB management then takes the revenue JB pilots generate and pay dues to a union, the ATA. Yet the JB pilots get no say in how they are represented, yet they pay for it.... amazing.

ALPA was formed in 1931.
The JP pilots representation, the ATA, was formed in 1936, in part to counter the effectiveness of ALPA.


JP pilots: represented for management, by the ATA, funded by the pilots.

 

[relief tube]

Im speaking up.

ALPA is unacceptable. They should not be spreading the word on company prorperty. They can organize all they want off of property. If you want to hear what they have to say, go to one of their information meetings at the hotels.

Hey company guys, how's the terminal "company property"? Last time I checked it cost 10 million just to build an outhouse on long island, so I'm guessing that terminal cost more than jetblue will ever have in assets.

If you want to find JB pilots, you're not going to go to the zoo, you're going to go to the terminal where they work.

 

[StarChecker]

It is similar to a parent speaking for a child. The question is.. when are the JB pilots going to grow up and speak for themselves. If you need a lesson on the patriarch syndrome, just ask.

NOTHING infuriated me more during the JBPA vote than our corporate puppet spokes-cow releasing statements like, "We don't believe third party representation is in our pilots' best interest."

Oh really Jenny?! You know what's in my best interest???

Tell you what....drop dead. I'll decide what's in best interest for me and family....thanks.

She better keep that gaping hole under her nose shut during this vote.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Best of luck to you JetBlue folks. I support ALPA at all carriers as I think power/influence by numbers is an amazing tool. Please put the time in to consider what is best for you, your fellow pilots, and the industry. I hope that ALPA at JetBlue is the conclusion you reach. Would be great to have you on board.

 

[thruthemurk]

As a McDonald's crewmember, no one checked with me about my corporate officers testifying on minimum wage laws-- and they certainly didn't talk to me about bringing the McRib back either!!!

It's time for a fast food union!!! There should be a limit on how long I must work the fryer or flip burgers. And why should I wear hats if a hair net will do?

Is this truly how you see yourself?

After you fly airplanes for a couple of decades, many start thinking that there "is nothing to it" and "anyone can do it". The familiarity that comes with experience need not lead to self disrespect. While not all pilots are equal, surely even you bring more to the table than a hamburger flipper?

Man up and take a seat at the table as a professional. If you do not see yourself as one - perhaps it is time for a career change. If not for yourself, do it for your passengers-they deserve it.

 

[BeachBummer]

^^^What Murk said^^^

 

[Jet41]

I did not say I was for or against ALPA. I just simply said it is unacceptable to spread the word on company "leased" property.

You do know that JB neither owns nor leases Chili's in FLL?