ALPA at Jetlbue

[Frank Lorenzo]

Today Alpa showed up at the terminal to spread the word.

There was actually a brief Q&A exchange in the terminal before ALPA left. Here is the transcript.

Q. Why do we need a union?
A. Send in your dues money and we'll let you know.

Q. Why ALPA and not a different union?
A. Good question. Send in your dues money and we'll email you an answer.

Q. We are concerned about scope. What will ALPA do for us?
A. Scope is an important best discussed after you send your dues money in.

Q. What kind of accountability is there for the dues money we send in?
A. Trust us. (wink)

Q. How effective are you? Didn't DAL, NWA, USAir, and a few others get their clocks cleaned in bankruptcy? Why didn't you fight harder?
A. Hey buddy, we talked tough, and talking tough is strategy you can bank on. Speaking of bank, did you fill out your dues deduction form yet?

Q. Didn't John Prater support this change to age 65?
A. Ummmmm.....no.......that was some other union.
Q. No, I'm pretty sure it was John Prater and ALPA.
A. I said that was some other union now next question!!!

Q. Well what about these new, demeaning TSA molestations at security checkpoints? Did ALPA draw a line in the sand over that?
A. Darn right we did. We sent out a watered down email acknowledging pilots' "reservations and concerns." You see, right there......who else has ever acknowledged your reservations and concerns. THIS is why your investment in ALPA is a wise one. THIS is where your dues money pays off. As an idiot line pilot, all you have to do is send us your money so that the smart folks working in the offices in Herndon can think for you. I call that a win-win!

Oh yeah....don't forget that dues deduction form.

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The party broke up about then.

It was sad. After watching the ALPA sales job, I was really starting to warm to their business prowess.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

There was actually a brief Q&A exchange in the terminal before ALPA left. Here is the transcript.

Q. Why do we need a union?
A. Send in your dues money and we'll let you know.

Q. Why ALPA and not a different union?
A. Good question. Send in your dues money and we'll email you an answer.

Q. We are concerned about scope. What will ALPA do for us?
A. Scope is an important best discussed after you send your dues money in.

Q. What kind of accountability is there for the dues money we send in?
A. Trust us. (wink)

Q. How effective are you? Didn't DAL, NWA, USAir, and a few others get their clocks cleaned in bankruptcy? Why didn't you fight harder?
A. Hey buddy, we talked tough, and talking tough is strategy you can bank on. Speaking of bank, did you fill out your dues deduction form yet?

Q. Didn't John Prater support this change to age 65?
A. Ummmmm.....no.......that was some other union.
Q. No, I'm pretty sure it was John Prater and ALPA.
A. I said that was some other union now next question!!!

Q. Well what about these new, demeaning TSA molestations at security checkpoints? Did ALPA draw a line in the sand over that?
A. Darn right we did. We sent out a watered down email acknowledging pilots' "reservations and concerns." You see, right there......who else has ever acknowledged your reservations and concerns. THIS is why your investment in ALPA is a wise one. THIS is where your dues money pays off. As an idiot line pilot, all you have to do is send us your money so that the smart folks working in the offices in Herndon can think for you. I call that a win-win!

Oh yeah....don't forget that dues deduction form.

______________________________________________________________

The party broke up about then.

It was sad. After watching the ALPA sales job, I was really starting to warm to their business prowess.

.....

 

[A350]

pilotchick:

I guess I misspoke...not necessarily yes votes. However, the new law regarding union votes....non voters used to count as nays, now they don't count at all. It is a lot easier to get a majority with a large contingent of non votes.

In fact, don't remember the numbers, but our last vote would have went union if it were held today under the new rules.

A350

 

[Sailpilot]

I did not say I was for or against ALPA. I just simply said it is unacceptable to spread the word on company "leased" property. I have picketed at other ALPA airlines and ALPA has never been able to organize on company property. Always outside the terminal.

ALPA is already testing management with these tactics. Is that the kind of pilot leadership you want charting the course of your career pay and benefits? This move by ALPA shows they are already trying to drive a wedge further between the pilots and JetBlue management. If ALPA comes on property, this is an example of the childish games you can expect them to play on your behalf.

Jetblue owns or leases the Chilli's in FLL? The one Outside of security and between two terminals?

Can we expect the nachos to be included in profit sharing?

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

pilotchick:

I guess I misspoke...not necessarily yes votes. However, the new law regarding union votes....non voters used to count as nays, now they don't count at all. It is a lot easier to get a majority with a large contingent of non votes.

In fact, don't remember the numbers, but our last vote would have went union if it were held today under the new rules.

A350

I believe that's correct. Not sure of the total amount of non-voters, however it is my understanding that most of those were 320 FOs!!!!! Either completely blue juiced or brow beaten by certain Captains that "we are going to be taken care of by management...don't worry about that pesky in-house union talk...just look at SWA...oh...wait...nevermind."...

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

There was actually a brief Q&A exchange in the terminal before ALPA left. Here is the transcript.

Q. Why do we need a union?
A. Send in your dues money and we'll let you know.

Q. Why ALPA and not a different union?
A. Good question. Send in your dues money and we'll email you an answer.

Q. We are concerned about scope. What will ALPA do for us?
A. Scope is an important best discussed after you send your dues money in.

Q. What kind of accountability is there for the dues money we send in?
A. Trust us. (wink)

Q. How effective are you? Didn't DAL, NWA, USAir, and a few others get their clocks cleaned in bankruptcy? Why didn't you fight harder?
A. Hey buddy, we talked tough, and talking tough is strategy you can bank on. Speaking of bank, did you fill out your dues deduction form yet?

Q. Didn't John Prater support this change to age 65?
A. Ummmmm.....no.......that was some other union.
Q. No, I'm pretty sure it was John Prater and ALPA.
A. I said that was some other union now next question!!!

Q. Well what about these new, demeaning TSA molestations at security checkpoints? Did ALPA draw a line in the sand over that?
A. Darn right we did. We sent out a watered down email acknowledging pilots' "reservations and concerns." You see, right there......who else has ever acknowledged your reservations and concerns. THIS is why your investment in ALPA is a wise one. THIS is where your dues money pays off. As an idiot line pilot, all you have to do is send us your money so that the smart folks working in the offices in Herndon can think for you. I call that a win-win!

Oh yeah....don't forget that dues deduction form.

______________________________________________________________

The party broke up about then.

It was sad. After watching the ALPA sales job, I was really starting to warm to their business prowess.

Frank....

Love your posts but SWAPA had a LARGE hand in age 65....it's not ALL Prater's fault. Last I checked, SWAPA is in-house.....so, bad argument.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

JB was very involved with age 65.

 

[AKAAB]

JB was very involved with age 65.

And, they testified that they were representing all of the pilots at JetBlue. No one checked with me or anyone I've ever flown with about it before they started lobbying in Washington.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

And, they testified that they were representing all of the pilots at JetBlue. No one checked with me or anyone I've ever flown with about it before they started lobbying in Washington.

As a McDonald's crewmember, no one checked with me about my corporate officers testifying on minimum wage laws-- and they certainly didn't talk to me about bringing the McRib back either!!!

It's time for a fast food union!!! There should be a limit on how long I must work the fryer or flip burgers. And why should I wear hats if a hair net will do?

 

[Dizel8]

JB was very involved with age 65.

jetblue management was, plus a handful of pilots! Jetblue management, PR, AS, advocated for it and said the spoke for the pilots when nothing could be further from the truth. I asked both of them to ask the group and put it to a vote before they spoke, needless to say, they were not inclined to do so!