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pilotchick

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Alpa has started a card campain at Jetblue. Today Alpa showed up at the terminal to spread the word and Jetblue Chief Pilots and Security escorted them out of Terminal 5 (jfk) and called Port Authority.

This is unacceptable!!!

It is our future and we have all right to hear what ALPA has to say. Jetblue thinks they can silence ALPA they are mistaken.

Speak up Jetblue Pilots!!!

Both sides have the right to be heard.
 
Im speaking up.

ALPA is unacceptable. They should not be spreading the word on company prorperty. They can organize all they want off of property. If you want to hear what they have to say, go to one of their information meetings at the hotels.
 
So you are ok with other people charting the course of your career, pay and benefits? I'm am not, for a second. ALPA is NOT the cure-all for pilot problems, but being able to put someone representing MY concerns, voted for by me made the choice.
 
I did not say I was for or against ALPA. I just simply said it is unacceptable to spread the word on company "leased" property. I have picketed at other ALPA airlines and ALPA has never been able to organize on company property. Always outside the terminal.

ALPA is already testing management with these tactics. Is that the kind of pilot leadership you want charting the course of your career pay and benefits? This move by ALPA shows they are already trying to drive a wedge further between the pilots and JetBlue management. If ALPA comes on property, this is an example of the childish games you can expect them to play on your behalf.
 
cowboy55 said:
I did not say I was for or against ALPA. I just simply said it is unacceptable to spread the word on company "leased" property. I have picketed at other ALPA airlines and ALPA has never been able to organize on company property. Always outside the terminal.





ALPA is already testing management with these tactics. Is that the kind of pilot leadership you want charting the course of your career pay and benefits? This move by ALPA shows they are already trying to drive a wedge further between the pilots and JetBlue management. If ALPA comes on property, this is an example of the childish games you can expect them to play on your behalf.
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Agree with the first part....however, how would summarize that pro-management pilot candidates for PVC were able to use company email to 'sell' themselves to the pilot group, but pro-pilot candidates were not?
I have already experienced 'childish' games from the management chosen pilots who supposedly speak for me....you ok with them speaking for you? Or don't you really care?
 
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The email system belongs to the company....so therefore they will play the game in their favor just like ALPA will get "yes" votes from non voters......

Let the games begin.....

A350
 
A350 said:
The email system belongs to the company....so therefore they will play the game in their favor just like ALPA will get "yes" votes from non voters......

Let the games begin.....

A350
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I know I am not main line, (so I must not be to smart) but how will ALPA get yes votes from Non voters???
 
pilotchick said:
Today Alpa showed up at the terminal to spread the word.
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There was actually a brief Q&A exchange in the terminal before ALPA left. Here is the transcript.

Q. Why do we need a union?
A. Send in your dues money and we'll let you know.

Q. Why ALPA and not a different union?
A. Good question. Send in your dues money and we'll email you an answer.

Q. We are concerned about scope. What will ALPA do for us?
A. Scope is an important best discussed after you send your dues money in.

Q. What kind of accountability is there for the dues money we send in?
A. Trust us. (wink)

Q. How effective are you? Didn't DAL, NWA, USAir, and a few others get their clocks cleaned in bankruptcy? Why didn't you fight harder?
A. Hey buddy, we talked tough, and talking tough is strategy you can bank on. Speaking of bank, did you fill out your dues deduction form yet?

Q. Didn't John Prater support this change to age 65?
A. Ummmmm.....no.......that was some other union.
Q. No, I'm pretty sure it was John Prater and ALPA.
A. I said that was some other union now next question!!!

Q. Well what about these new, demeaning TSA molestations at security checkpoints? Did ALPA draw a line in the sand over that?
A. Darn right we did. We sent out a watered down email acknowledging pilots' "reservations and concerns." You see, right there......who else has ever acknowledged your reservations and concerns. THIS is why your investment in ALPA is a wise one. THIS is where your dues money pays off. As an idiot line pilot, all you have to do is send us your money so that the smart folks working in the offices in Herndon can think for you. I call that a win-win!

Oh yeah....don't forget that dues deduction form.

______________________________________________________________

The party broke up about then.

It was sad. After watching the ALPA sales job, I was really starting to warm to their business prowess.
 
Frank Lorenzo said:
There was actually a brief Q&A exchange in the terminal before ALPA left. Here is the transcript.

Q. Why do we need a union?
A. Send in your dues money and we'll let you know.

Q. Why ALPA and not a different union?
A. Good question. Send in your dues money and we'll email you an answer.

Q. We are concerned about scope. What will ALPA do for us?
A. Scope is an important best discussed after you send your dues money in.

Q. What kind of accountability is there for the dues money we send in?
A. Trust us. (wink)

Q. How effective are you? Didn't DAL, NWA, USAir, and a few others get their clocks cleaned in bankruptcy? Why didn't you fight harder?
A. Hey buddy, we talked tough, and talking tough is strategy you can bank on. Speaking of bank, did you fill out your dues deduction form yet?

Q. Didn't John Prater support this change to age 65?
A. Ummmmm.....no.......that was some other union.
Q. No, I'm pretty sure it was John Prater and ALPA.
A. I said that was some other union now next question!!!

Q. Well what about these new, demeaning TSA molestations at security checkpoints? Did ALPA draw a line in the sand over that?
A. Darn right we did. We sent out a watered down email acknowledging pilots' "reservations and concerns." You see, right there......who else has ever acknowledged your reservations and concerns. THIS is why your investment in ALPA is a wise one. THIS is where your dues money pays off. As an idiot line pilot, all you have to do is send us your money so that the smart folks working in the offices in Herndon can think for you. I call that a win-win!

Oh yeah....don't forget that dues deduction form.

______________________________________________________________

The party broke up about then.

It was sad. After watching the ALPA sales job, I was really starting to warm to their business prowess.
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pilotchick:

I guess I misspoke...not necessarily yes votes. However, the new law regarding union votes....non voters used to count as nays, now they don't count at all. It is a lot easier to get a majority with a large contingent of non votes.

In fact, don't remember the numbers, but our last vote would have went union if it were held today under the new rules.

A350
 
cowboy55 said:
I did not say I was for or against ALPA. I just simply said it is unacceptable to spread the word on company "leased" property. I have picketed at other ALPA airlines and ALPA has never been able to organize on company property. Always outside the terminal.

ALPA is already testing management with these tactics. Is that the kind of pilot leadership you want charting the course of your career pay and benefits? This move by ALPA shows they are already trying to drive a wedge further between the pilots and JetBlue management. If ALPA comes on property, this is an example of the childish games you can expect them to play on your behalf.
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Jetblue owns or leases the Chilli's in FLL? The one Outside of security and between two terminals?

Can we expect the nachos to be included in profit sharing?:confused:
 
A350 said:
pilotchick:

I guess I misspoke...not necessarily yes votes. However, the new law regarding union votes....non voters used to count as nays, now they don't count at all. It is a lot easier to get a majority with a large contingent of non votes.

In fact, don't remember the numbers, but our last vote would have went union if it were held today under the new rules.

A350
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I believe that's correct. Not sure of the total amount of non-voters, however it is my understanding that most of those were 320 FOs!!!!! Either completely blue juiced or brow beaten by certain Captains that "we are going to be taken care of by management...don't worry about that pesky in-house union talk...just look at SWA...oh...wait...nevermind."...
 
Frank Lorenzo said:
There was actually a brief Q&A exchange in the terminal before ALPA left. Here is the transcript.

Q. Why do we need a union?
A. Send in your dues money and we'll let you know.

Q. Why ALPA and not a different union?
A. Good question. Send in your dues money and we'll email you an answer.

Q. We are concerned about scope. What will ALPA do for us?
A. Scope is an important best discussed after you send your dues money in.

Q. What kind of accountability is there for the dues money we send in?
A. Trust us. (wink)

Q. How effective are you? Didn't DAL, NWA, USAir, and a few others get their clocks cleaned in bankruptcy? Why didn't you fight harder?
A. Hey buddy, we talked tough, and talking tough is strategy you can bank on. Speaking of bank, did you fill out your dues deduction form yet?

Q. Didn't John Prater support this change to age 65?
A. Ummmmm.....no.......that was some other union.
Q. No, I'm pretty sure it was John Prater and ALPA.
A. I said that was some other union now next question!!!

Q. Well what about these new, demeaning TSA molestations at security checkpoints? Did ALPA draw a line in the sand over that?
A. Darn right we did. We sent out a watered down email acknowledging pilots' "reservations and concerns." You see, right there......who else has ever acknowledged your reservations and concerns. THIS is why your investment in ALPA is a wise one. THIS is where your dues money pays off. As an idiot line pilot, all you have to do is send us your money so that the smart folks working in the offices in Herndon can think for you. I call that a win-win!

Oh yeah....don't forget that dues deduction form.

______________________________________________________________

The party broke up about then.

It was sad. After watching the ALPA sales job, I was really starting to warm to their business prowess.
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Frank....

Love your posts but SWAPA had a LARGE hand in age 65....it's not ALL Prater's fault. Last I checked, SWAPA is in-house.....so, bad argument.
 
AKAAB said:
And, they testified that they were representing all of the pilots at JetBlue. No one checked with me or anyone I've ever flown with about it before they started lobbying in Washington.
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As a McDonald's crewmember, no one checked with me about my corporate officers testifying on minimum wage laws-- and they certainly didn't talk to me about bringing the McRib back either!!!

It's time for a fast food union!!! There should be a limit on how long I must work the fryer or flip burgers. And why should I wear hats if a hair net will do?
 
coogebeachhotel said:
JB was very involved with age 65.
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jetblue management was, plus a handful of pilots! Jetblue management, PR, AS, advocated for it and said the spoke for the pilots when nothing could be further from the truth. I asked both of them to ask the group and put it to a vote before they spoke, needless to say, they were not inclined to do so!
 
Hey Blue....

Spin the idea that you can hire an insubordinate General to be on your board and that allows you to speak up at those touchy feely people meetings when you want to voice your opinion......General Stan will understand.

Or you could get a union......
 
BLUE BAYOU said:
As a McDonald's crewmember, no one checked with me about my corporate officers testifying on minimum wage laws-- and they certainly didn't talk to me about bringing the McRib back either!!!

It's time for a fast food union!!! There should be a limit on how long I must work the fryer or flip burgers. And why should I wear hats if a hair net will do?
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The average McDonalds worker is not planning on making a career there, has not spent years and possibly thousands of dollars gaining the experience and qualifications to do his job, and is not responsible for the lives of 150 people every time he goes to work. Your comparison is juuuuuust a little off base.
 
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BLUE BAYOU said:
As a McDonald's crewmember, no one checked with me about my corporate officers testifying on minimum wage laws-- and they certainly didn't talk to me about bringing the McRib back either!!!

It's time for a fast food union!!! There should be a limit on how long I must work the fryer or flip burgers. And why should I wear hats if a hair net will do?
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Blue...............
 
BLUE BAYOU said:
As a McDonald's crewmember, no one checked with me about my corporate officers testifying on minimum wage laws-- and they certainly didn't talk to me about bringing the McRib back either!!!

It's time for a fast food union!!! There should be a limit on how long I must work the fryer or flip burgers. And why should I wear hats if a hair net will do?
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Failed comparison. This isn't about asking pilots about consumer products and services like inflight TV and blue snack chips.

If your logic were sound, then you'd state something akin to McDonalds employees have the terms of their employment changed without their consent.

In this case, the JB pilots retirement age change was endorsed on their behalf by a representative not of their choosing. It is similar to a parent speaking for a child. The question is.. when are the JB pilots going to grow up and speak for themselves. If you need a lesson on the patriarch syndrome, just ask.

However, the JB pilots can find solace in that the Skywest pilots have Roger Cohen, the fake bake tool speak for them via the RAA....

The JB pilots can continue to allow the ATA to speak for them.....

What I find insulting is the JB pilots earn revenue for JB. JB management then takes the revenue JB pilots generate and pay dues to a union, the ATA. Yet the JB pilots get no say in how they are represented, yet they pay for it.... amazing.

ALPA was formed in 1931.
The JP pilots representation, the ATA, was formed in 1936, in part to counter the effectiveness of ALPA.


JP pilots: represented for management, by the ATA, funded by the pilots.
 
cowboy55 said:
Im speaking up.

ALPA is unacceptable. They should not be spreading the word on company prorperty. They can organize all they want off of property. If you want to hear what they have to say, go to one of their information meetings at the hotels.
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Hey company guys, how's the terminal "company property"? Last time I checked it cost 10 million just to build an outhouse on long island, so I'm guessing that terminal cost more than jetblue will ever have in assets.

If you want to find JB pilots, you're not going to go to the zoo, you're going to go to the terminal where they work.
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
It is similar to a parent speaking for a child. The question is.. when are the JB pilots going to grow up and speak for themselves. If you need a lesson on the patriarch syndrome, just ask.
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NOTHING infuriated me more during the JBPA vote than our corporate puppet spokes-cow releasing statements like, "We don't believe third party representation is in our pilots' best interest."

Oh really Jenny?! You know what's in my best interest???

Tell you what....drop dead. I'll decide what's in best interest for me and family....thanks.

She better keep that gaping hole under her nose shut during this vote.
 
Best of luck to you JetBlue folks. I support ALPA at all carriers as I think power/influence by numbers is an amazing tool. Please put the time in to consider what is best for you, your fellow pilots, and the industry. I hope that ALPA at JetBlue is the conclusion you reach. Would be great to have you on board.
 
BLUE BAYOU said:
As a McDonald's crewmember, no one checked with me about my corporate officers testifying on minimum wage laws-- and they certainly didn't talk to me about bringing the McRib back either!!!

It's time for a fast food union!!! There should be a limit on how long I must work the fryer or flip burgers. And why should I wear hats if a hair net will do?
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Is this truly how you see yourself?

After you fly airplanes for a couple of decades, many start thinking that there "is nothing to it" and "anyone can do it". The familiarity that comes with experience need not lead to self disrespect. While not all pilots are equal, surely even you bring more to the table than a hamburger flipper?

Man up and take a seat at the table as a professional. If you do not see yourself as one - perhaps it is time for a career change. If not for yourself, do it for your passengers-they deserve it.
 

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